High School DxD Light Novel - Archived Speculation & Theories

[ReaperxKingx]

Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

that's the ironic part he already is plenty worthy of rias but I doubt he feels like he is

Well cannot blame him can you?

[DrakeKnight]

I want dxd to finish when Ise finishs high school so he can be club prez for a year and develop better leadership skills also would be cool if Ise built a huge castle on his plot of land in the underworld

[ImperialFlameGod8190]

cant blame him at all reaper.

[GundamFan]

Originally Posted by WILD_LION

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This is a part of DxD Universe that confuse me, What is the dream of Issei?:
1) To be a KING. with his own harem team.
2) To be a Ultimate Pawn with the Rias team as harem.

I think that in this part of the story, how Middle Class Demon, he is thinking seriously about what he desire to the future.

Ise want's to be the Ultimate Pawn for Rias sake and there really hasn't been any indication of him wanting to try to turn her group into a harem or realizing that it's already happened and he has a harem. It could be interesting as to whether he wants to still pursue this whole becoming a KING if realizes he already has a harem.

It's possible for Ise do both since if a devil gets promoted to a high class devil there given a king piece but they don't loses the other evil pieces they have inside them and still carrying out the role of those pieces for there masters in rating games. So could be both a King and a Pawn just not in the same rating game.

Originally Posted by ReaperxKingx

Well cannot blame him can you?

Well I'm sure how Ise has risen hasn't helped with the whole inferiority complex the money and fame as well as most of the power ups are tied to oppai and Rias no less.

[WILD_LION]

Hey friends, I know that we've talked about this before, but i want to hear your opinioon of a new speculation about Issei and his development in Hakuryuukou powers mentioned by the author.

1) Do you think that there will be a relation in Irina Oppai, Dulio Training and Hakuryuukou development?
I just said it because the armor is white, and Issei mentioned it in Vol 15:
"""I’m really grateful for it! Angel’s breasts sure do have some effect in them!"""

2) Or maybe the Butts of Sona, who is "flat breast", who is oposite to Rias in body and personality. I said it, because in a certain sense Hakuryuukou and Sekiryuutei are oposite too. And this scene appear in Vol 12:

[……I can understand how you feel. That’s why can you please listen to their last words? They left their words behind. –This is their last message to you.]
Yeah please let me hear it! The words they left behind for me!
…..Wait….I think there was a similar situation like this before…..A bad prediction crossed my mind. Then a vision appears from the jewel. It has the recording of the faces of my Senpais. They said it to me with very refreshing smiles.
[[[[Pochi and Pochi, Zoom Zoom, Iyaaaan!]]]]
………
There was nothing I could say. It’s just like how I imagined! I knew it would turn up like this! How much do you guys, the past Sekiryuutei, love that song!? From the side of the vision, Hakuryuukou-senpai shows his smile.
[Butts are also wonderful, current-Sekiryuutei.]
Tell that to Vaaaaaaaaaaali!!.........

What do you think?

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by DrakeKnight

I want dxd to finish when Ise finishs high school so he can be club prez for a year and develop better leadership skills also would be cool if Ise built a huge castle on his plot of land in the underworld

I can see that happen. Rias will graduate and Ise becomes the Buchou and develop his leadership skill and we see him starting his recruiting for his team since he will probably get his pieces by then.

[Chris38]

Personally, while I agree that Ise is going to become the next Buchou of the Occult Research Club, to gain some necessary leadership skills, I doubt that he is going to get a King piece, at the same time, since just like with, Ise's middle class devil promotion, he is going to need to pass the "official test", before he becomes a high class devil.

And, as far as I remember, in this test, they test someone's tactics and leadership abilities, and while Ise certainly demonstrated some skills in that area, I would say that, he still needs to gain some more practical experience in that area, before he will be capable of passing the test to become a high class devil.

Since we don't know, how many time (in the story) will pass, until Ise becomes a third year high school student, it's hard to say if he is going to have enough time to gain enough experience in tactics, before the end of the current "school year" (again, in the story timeline, not RL) occurs.

[WILD_LION]

I think that the story will continue in the College:
VOL 9. New Life Part 2
""The match against Sairaorg. This is supposed to be the last battle in the youth tournament. We cannot be careless. Let's prepare together.""

VOL 10. Life 1. Part 3
""Buchou's participation in the official game will be after she graduates from University which means that it will be after four or five more years.""


And i remember that in some point of the main story, someone said that Issei will become a high class devil before Rias finish the RG.

[G147]

Originally Posted by WILD_LION

I think that the story will continue in the College:
VOL 9. New Life Part 2
""The match against Sairaorg. This is supposed to be the last battle in the youth tournament. We cannot be careless. Let's prepare together.""

VOL 10. Life 1. Part 3
""Buchou's participation in the official game will be after she graduates from University which means that it will be after four or five more years.""


And i remember that in some point of the main story, someone said that Issei will become a high class devil before Rias finish the RG.

Azazel just said that it's possible for Issei and Kiba to become Ultimate-class Devils before Rias' debut in Rating Games.

[WILD_LION]

Originally Posted by G147

Azazel just said that it's possible for Issei and Kiba to become Ultimate-class Devils before Rias' debut in Rating Games.

It is true, i also remember that the leaders of devils are worried because Issei only has a few months as a daemon, and is difficult to them to give him a promotion.
By the way, Do you think that there will be a relation betweeen this clues"INDRA(The Emperor of Heaven. The Warrior-God, who defeated the God-of-Battle) and ISSEI(Host of the Heavenly Dragon and the one who True Longinus(Used to kill Jesus Christ) choosing him when the Truth Idea activated and the will of the God in the True Longinus choosing Issei's dream instead of Cao Cao's ambition?

I think that in some part of the story the True Longinus will select issei, simmilar case with Gram and Kiba.
And also because i Think that Issei needs a weapon at the same level that Xenovia weapon, because now the Ex-Durandal can compete with Cao Cao's True Longinus. And in the begining Ascalon and Durandal were somewhat similar swords.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by WILD_LION

It is true, i also remember that the leaders of devils are worried because Issei only has a few months as a daemon, and is difficult to them to give him a promotion.
By the way, Do you think that there will be a relation betweeen this clues"INDRA(The Emperor of Heaven. The Warrior-God, who defeated the God-of-Battle) and ISSEI(Host of the Heavenly Dragon and the one who True Longinus(Used to kill Jesus Christ) choosing him when the Truth Idea activated and the will of the God in the True Longinus choosing Issei's dream instead of Cao Cao's ambition?

I think that in some part of the story the True Longinus will select issei, simmilar case with Gram and Kiba.
And also because i Think that Issei needs a weapon at the same level that Xenovia weapon, because now the Ex-Durandal can compete with Cao Cao's True Longinus. And in the begining Ascalon and Durandal were somewhat similar swords.

I really don't see the need for Issei to obtain a second weapon, in the form of True Longinus.

Since, he already has a weapon, that is definitely going to surpass anything that Xenovia can do with her Ex-Dundrandal.

I'm talking about Ise's Boosted Gear, more exactly about Ise's CCQ mode, which contains the potential that Ise demonstrated, while he has been in Juggernaut Drive - true, it might take some time to master it, but it would take an equal or maybe even longer amount of time to master the True Longinus.

After all, I don't see Ise's combat style to be suited to wielding a spear, not to mention the fact that, since True Longinus is a higher ranked Longinus then Iseei's Boosted Gear, it would take even more time, for Issei to be capable of fully drawing it's power, not to mention the possibility of some "compatibility issues" occurring between the BG and True Longinus, since both of them are, more or less, sentient weapons.

So, unlike you I don't see Ise gaining another new ability / weapon that he would need to develop, pretty much from the scratch, especially considering the fact that Ise already has quite a long list of things that he needs to "master"...

[WILD_LION]

Originally Posted by Chris38

I really don't see the need for Issei to obtain a second weapon, in the form of True Longinus.

Since, he already has a weapon, that is definitely going to surpass anything that Xenovia can do with her Ex-Dundrandal.

I'm talking about Ise's Boosted Gear, more exactly about Ise's CCQ mode, which contains the potential that Ise demonstrated, while he has been in Juggernaut Drive - true, it might take some time to master it, but it would take an equal or maybe even longer amount of time to master the True Longinus.

After all, I don't see Ise's combat style to be suited to wielding a spear, not to mention the fact that, since True Longinus is a higher ranked Longinus then Iseei's Boosted Gear, it would take even more time, for Issei to be capable of fully drawing it's power, not to mention the possibility of some "compatibility issues" occurring between the BG and True Longinus, since both of them are, more or less, sentient weapons.

So, unlike you I don't see Ise gaining another new ability / weapon that he would need to develop, pretty much from the scratch, especially considering the fact that Ise already has quite a long list of things that he needs to "master"...

Also exist the fact of that Issei desire to be a Hero, not just for the devils, but also fo the Heaven, taking into consideration the Dulio Training and Hakuryuukou development and the interest of Issei in it:

“Sensei, I found this one possibility…….though I couldn’t try it out this time.”
“Kiba’s Sacred Gear……. Is it something which has something to do with the new Balance-Breaker?”
“Yes. I also have that power which I gained afterwards…..the power of Hakuryuukou, so maybe perhaps….”
Yeah, I think there is also a possibility for me as well. I also was able to gain conversation with the Albion-senpai from that match.
“…….That is something which contradicts with your ability. It’s also the direct ability to halve, but specialising in that power will make your life in danger once again. And if you were to activate it, you might not be able to use the power of Sekiryuutei.”
The Sacred Gear will respond to you the stronger your feelings are. So it means it will depend on my training and imagination huh. It will be a negative thing if I can’t use the power of Sekiryuutei while I use the power of Hakuryuukou. Kiba’s new technique was like that after all. Maybe doing something about it will depend on my imagination and adaptability.
There is also an option to make it a sub-species. But will I be able to do it? I feel uneasy about it. But Kiba was able to change it to a sub-species Balance Breaker, so I would like to think there is a possibility! Next time, I will resume my training with Kiba!


I accept that Issei need to improve in so many aspects, but I think that the author is reserving this True Longinus for a DxD Miracle.

[Chris38]

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Except that doing something like that, would make Issei a pretty broken character, in my opinion at least...

After all, Ise has already the potential to become one of the most powerful beings that exist in the High school DxD universe, due to being the "child" of both Great Red and Ophis, so adding another longinus to his, already quite high potential would be a little too much, in my opinion.

I mean you might like character's that could blow up planets with a single attack - after all, Ise is already strong enough to destroy an entire city with just his Trident Bishop form, and a mastered CCQ is definitely going to have a higher destructive potential, so adding True Longinus into the mix would really make Ise capable of destroying an entire planet - well, I might be exaggerating a little bit, but I really don't want Ise to carry so many different abilities that you don't even know, what kind of monster would he need to face, for Ise to actually be defeated.

In other words there is a limit of abilities that a protagonist should have for the story to not become a little "broken", and unlike you I think that Ise has already reached this limit.

Well, since it's kind of obvious to me, that neither of us, are going to change our opinions on this matter, we should probably wait and see how the author is going to resolve this topic...

[DrakeKnight]

Hmm from that quote from the book I wonder if Ise can get a second balance breaker form after he masters using DD and maybe discovers that he likes butts too then new BB from DD this time

[Chris38]

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I would say that it's possible that Ise is going to awaken a second Balance Breaker, although, just like Kiba's second Balance Breaker, it will have a little more restrictions, compared to his first Balance Breaker.

I also think that the Balance Breaker of the Divine Gear that contains the power stolen from Albion is going to take a slightly different from then the armor that Vali has.

As for Issei starting to like butts, after he awakens Albion's powers, I doubt that's something that has been imprinted within the powers that Albion has.

Not to mention, the fact that, Ise awakening another fetish is definitely going to cause Ddraig to "break down" ... after all, we have already seen what Issei's oppai fetish has done to Ddraig's mental state, so how do you think he will react, if Ise awakens another "fetish"...

[WILD_LION]

Originally Posted by Chris38

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I would say that it's possible that Ise is going to awaken a second Balance Breaker, although, just like Kiba's second Balance Breaker, it will have a little more restrictions, compared to his first Balance Breaker.

I also think that the Balance Breaker of the Divine Gear that contains the power stolen from Albion is going to take a slightly different from then the armor that Vali has.

As for Issei starting to like butts, after he awakens Albion's powers, I doubt that's something that has been imprinted within the powers that Albion has.

Not to mention, the fact that, Ise awakening another fetish is definitely going to cause Ddraig to "break down" ... after all, we have already seen what Issei's oppai fetish has done to Ddraig's mental state, so how do you think he will react, if Ise awakens another "fetish"...

I think that these two are good options to Issei for Divine Gear:
1) Do you think that there will be a relation in Irina Oppai, Dulio Training and Hakuryuukou development?
I just said it because the armor is white, and Issei mentioned it in Vol 15:
"""I’m really grateful for it! Angel’s breasts sure do have some effect in them!"""

2) Or maybe the Butts of Sona, who is "flat breast", who is oposite to Rias in body and personality. I said it, because in a certain sense Hakuryuukou and Sekiryuutei are oposite too.


And about Ddraig's mental state, I think that he will surpass it for issei, or maybe Ophis predictions will be true: Hey draig would you like stop being a heavenly dragon to become a oppai dragon.

[Chris38]

Originally Posted by WILD_LION

I think that these two are good options to Issei for Divine Gear:
1) Do you think that there will be a relation in Irina Oppai, Dulio Training and Hakuryuukou development?
I just said it because the armor is white, and Issei mentioned it in Vol 15:
"""I’m really grateful for it! Angel’s breasts sure do have some effect in them!"""

Assuming that Dulio's training is at a higher level (since, Ise did undergo a quite big growth in his power level) then the training that Ise underwent with Tannin, before he reached Balance Breaker, then yeah I could see it, helping in the development of the Albion powers that Ise has obtained during his first confrontation with Vali.

As for Irina's Oppai relation to it ... as usual, the author is probably going to be pretty unpredictable, when it comes to those things, so I really don't have enough motivation to speculate on this topic...

Originally Posted by WILD_LION

2) Or maybe the Butts of Sona, who is "flat breast", who is oposite to Rias in body and personality. I said it, because in a certain sense Hakuryuukou and Sekiryuutei are oposite too.

If Ise wants Saji to "hate" Ise even more, then he currently does, then I could see him doing something like that...

But, since that would be a pretty serious violation of the "Bro code", realistically speaking I don't see Ise "intentionally" doing something "ecchi" to Sona...

Originally Posted by WILD_LION

And about Ddraig's mental state, I think that he will surpass it for issei, or maybe Ophis predictions will be true: Hey draig would you like stop being a heavenly dragon to become a oppai dragon.

Well, personally I hope that Ise will give Ddraig some rest, from time to time... but, considering Ddraig's "Butt Monkey" status, that probably won't occur, so only the author knows, how the development of Ddraig's "condition" is going to continue...

[GundamFan]

Originally Posted by Chris38

Personally, while I agree that Ise is going to become the next Buchou of the Occult Research Club, to gain some necessary leadership skills, I doubt that he is going to get a King piece, at the same time, since just like with, Ise's middle class devil promotion, he is going to need to pass the "official test", before he becomes a high class devil.

And, as far as I remember, in this test, they test someone's tactics and leadership abilities, and while Ise certainly demonstrated some skills in that area, I would say that, he still needs to gain some more practical experience in that area, before he will be capable of passing the test to become a high class devil.

Since we don't know, how many time (in the story) will pass, until Ise becomes a third year high school student, it's hard to say if he is going to have enough time to gain enough experience in tactics, before the end of the current "school year" (again, in the story timeline, not RL) occurs.

Personally I think we are going to need at least a 50 year time skip in order for Ise to get there. Also there were objections to Ise being allowed to taking the mid-class devil exam and really it's a promotion in name only because of how rescently he became a devil. Now I imagine it would a lot more intense for the high class devil exams given that he would gain actual power in the form of a King evil piece which would probably both up his base stats as while as give him a new scale mail form and his own peerage. And at this point Ise isn't even close to being ready he needs a lot of growing up before he is ready to manage his own group.

[GrrDraxin]

Chances are, between Grayfia, Sirzechs, and Azazel and/or others, they will probably deliberately put forth unusual tactical challenges for Ise to solve instead of the usual ones to become a high class devil. They might even use Rias and her progress through her official RGs to hold Ise in check in how fast he advances. Most likely he will end up having to work closely with Ravel and even Sona in tactical combat situations to overcome several problems or to advance in one or more of Rias's matches. If they set all the youth devils to have to do tactical combat rather than all out power matches, who and how Ise overcomes his mental weaknesses should help him to grow with such challenges. I can also see Sona and Rias having their groups intermix in long training camps, and perhaps include other peerages like Sairaorg and his group. Sairaorg doesn't strike me as the tactical type, but a rematch in a purely tactical combat with Ise would make both have to think on their feet.

[peinmaximus@]

hey guys or wild lion,since that vol 17 is the vol of rossweisse,you think that ise will meet with thor or some other norse god or others valkyries?what you think that will happen in this vol?
whom will be the enemy of this vol?I think that will be some evil norse god related with KB or the norse evil dragon.
and can thor be the new teacher of ise(that will make ise learn about his new body's powers)?I too think that thor and ophis will be the new teachers of ise.
obs:I hope that ise meet with the norse goddess of love freyja(people said that she is the most beautiful woman of all norse myths).