2010-09-25, 21:30 | Link #3021 | |
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And, no, that's not evidence for Rin being the 'best girl' for Shirou (before anyone claims that it is), because it's just a crush. It shows nothing more than that Shirou finds Rin attractive (which is undeniably true), and that (at that point) he still thinks of Sakura as a "little sister" rather than as someone who he should be having sex with. |
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2010-09-25, 21:38 | Link #3022 | |
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And really, CL, did you have to say that? No one even said anything about Rin being the 'best' for Shirou. There's no reason to really justify it, especially since it's a Sakura route; even if he dreams of Rin, we all know who he ends up with at the end (or at least, falls in love with, depending on which HF end you get).
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2010-09-25, 22:11 | Link #3024 | |
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2010-09-25, 22:22 | Link #3025 |
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Well, that's pretty reasonable (although personally I don't really agree so much with the Saber one, because it's debateable whether their relationship did him any real long-term good), but really it's more of a case that all three girls are reasonably well suited to him and, thus, he can be OK with any of them (although in Saber's case the fact that she can't remain makes her less suited, IMO) than it is a case of UBW Shirou being best with Rin or Fate Shirou being best with Saber.
So, I would say that it is perfectly valid to argue that one girl is better for him overall, although all three are clearly perfectly valid choices. Whilst there is some variation between the three Shirous (which does indeed tend to make them more suited for the girl whose route it is), with the exception of HF Shirou (who I struggle to see with anyone else due to the importance of his relationship with Sakura to his character development and to the plot as a whole) I could easily see Shirou ending up with a different girl (in particular, I could see Fate Shirou ending up with either Sakura or Rin at a later date, since Saber has gone). |
2010-09-25, 23:01 | Link #3026 |
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Okay, I have a question. I'm not sure, this might belong in the Q&A thread and I'll move it if I have to, but I would need to basically put the whole thing in spoiler tags, so I'd prefer to ask it here.
Heaven's Feel. True Assassin's summoning and Kuzuki's death... what the Hell happened, there? The first time I read the scene, for some reason, I got the impression that some spell was used to call True Assassin from inside Assassin, and after eating his remains, TA stealthed his way into the temple, killed Kuzuki, and ate Caster after Saber killed her. This death brought the Shadow into being, since it was the first Servant to die and enter the Holy Grail. But now I re-read the scene as research for a story I'm writing, and it really seems like Fake Assassin got gutted by the Shadow before True Assassin was summoned. But I'm wondering now: who killed Kuzuki? I think if it had been the Shadow, it wouldn't have left a corpse... but then, I also thought the Shadow wouldn't have existed until at least one Servant died. And why would it killing Assassin have allowed True Assassin to be summoned? I'd have thought it would just absorb him. So I'm just generally confused as to what actually happened in these scenes. |
2010-09-25, 23:18 | Link #3027 |
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OK, according to Nasu, it was actually Caster, although he openly admitted that he'd never thought it out properly. It was in one of the side-material books. So, you're not supposed to be able to work it out from that scene, because Nasu himself never really bothered to think about it.
This link explains what he said. Oh, and BTW, Caster's death never actually "brought the shadow into being", from what I can tell. I'm pretty sure that Caster was actually eaten by it. Fake Assassin, however, was not. Zouken used him as the 'catalyst' to summon True Assassin. He never went to the Grail at all. |
2010-09-25, 23:33 | Link #3028 | ||
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Caster: Hah----I killed my Master? I killed Souichirou-sama? Fuh----- haha, hahahahahahaha! That is funny! Perhaps I should have done so, if it was going to turn out like this...! Y'know what? Screw Word of God, I'm just going with 'True Assassin killed him'. It makes more sense. Frickin' Nasu. Quote:
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2010-09-26, 00:05 | Link #3030 | |
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2010-09-26, 02:46 | Link #3031 | |
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There you go, more reasons to hate Zouken! He most likely had Kuzuki come back to Ryuudo Temple already "bugged" as a trap for Caster. She freaks, stabs him before Zouken can do whatever he was planning then Saber and Shirou come in at the aftermath. Pretty cut and dry if you ask me. |
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2010-09-26, 03:32 | Link #3032 |
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I figured True Assassin killed both Assassin (to take his form) and Kuzuki (so the shadow could get Caster)
Oh yeah I figured Rider had something to do with it but i didn't realise she was actually doing it. Lol.
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2010-09-26, 07:11 | Link #3033 | |
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Also, Kuzuki was stabbed. Caster most likely could not kill him in close-combat, and even if she could her murder methods tend to leave a smoking crater, not a bleeding corpse; she never uses Rule Breaker as an actual weapon. I find it more believable she was covered in blood because the Hand of Freakin' Satan exploded her Master's chest out of nowhere when he was standing right next to her, and in a panic she whipped out her Noble Phantasm to try to intimidate whatever did it into staying away from her while she tried to figure out what the fuck just happened. |
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2010-09-26, 13:49 | Link #3037 | ||
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2010-09-26, 13:53 | Link #3038 | ||
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That said, the Shadow does make it more believable. TA could have much more easily pulled off a surprise attack on Kuzuki if Caster was busy trying to avoid being eaten. |
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2010-09-26, 13:59 | Link #3039 | |
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Also, maybe I misinterpreted the scene, but I got the feeling that HF Caster was just as much in love with Kuzuki as her UBW counterpart, hence her horror and somewhat insane laughter when Saber assumes she killed him herself. Unless Caster has a track record of falling in love with men who treat her well insanely quickly, that would imply that she had been with Kuzuki for awhile before the TA was born from Fake Assassin, so maybe at the least her feelings for him were starting to develop.
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2010-09-26, 15:05 | Link #3040 |
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I thought Caster fell in love with Kuzuki the day they met.
Is it possible that the shadow took control of Kuzuki and forced him to attack Caster and Caster tried to tried to destroy the shadows bind on Kuzuki by using her Noble Phantasm but ended up killing Kukuzi instead by accident?
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