Habitual flaming

[dragonz20]

If I don't know you or don't know of you or keep track of how you write, how am i suppose to know if someone is being sarcastic or not?... those that are familiar with you may understand but others will read your writing and then believe you actually mean it. i've made that mistake once or twice already and it started a flame war (it was actually w/ superchop and darkzero but we patch it all up). anyway, what i am saying is that if u are gonna be sarcastic, it would be awefully useful to note it somewhere in the post... if not, you can't blame others for misunderstanding you.

in all, i completely agree with everyone's comments and inputs in here. i will try to be more forgiving of others from now on instead of "biting" back right away. i don't usually start the flame wars but i confess that i have not taken steps to avoid them either. i guess i am to blame as much as others. gomen everyone...

Originally Posted by Superchop

Flamewars always depend on the people, the main reason is that people always want other people to see things the way they themselves see it (whether it's true or false)...and most of the time they never take into consideration that other people have their own opinions (again...whether it's true or false)....and with this continued stubborness they keep going on and on about the same thing....and it usually doesn't take long for things to take a wrong turn cause of the stubborness to keep on going...it's very rare to see someone give in or just walk away...

Another reason for flamewars is that sometimes people act very sarcastic (kinda like JAppi) and with that sarcasm other people take it the wrong way and always think it's some kind of insult...and with that they immediately have to argue or say something which usually is just as worst as the comment made by the sarcastic individual...now it's a bit hard to tell when a person is being sarcastic with writing but for the most part we can't take everything everyone says seriously...even though it's obvious when someone really isn't sarcastic...but with those we can't go in ranting and raving...if anyone needs to say anything they should just walk in defending the subject at hand like normal with no insults...and if the person keeps on going then it's a lost cause to keep on arguing and the defending person should just step aside...but like i said...the stubbornness kicks in and sometimes people can't just turn away until they change the other person's mind (something that very rarely happens)

*sigh* i guess that's all i wanted to say...there have been a few more flamewars then there have been in the past...but most of the time they're ended very quickly...

[P1RO N1NJ4]

Very true AG3... Intelligent conversation is very rare nowadays and I think the maturity factor of this forum would drop a lot of everyone kept flaming each other. Luckily, most of us stay out of these arguments and the topic can go on like it's supposed to. I used to be a moderator for a short-lived anime forum so I know the crap that mods like NoSanninWa go through. I always enjoy coming into these forums to discuss the latest episode or the numerous "what if" threads. Thanks, mods, for your daunting dedication.

[Kamui4356]

Actually I don't think there's that big of a problem with flames on animesuki yet. It's a lot worse on some other forums. Still as has been mentioned several times already, it seems to be getting worse. Still, a lot of the flame wars come from a conversations that got out of hand. I suggest that when you're engaged in such a disscussion, instead of posting a reply immediatly, type it out, wait a few seconds, then read it again. If you still think it's a good post hit submit, if not either rewrite it or just hit the back button and forget about it entirely. I make a habit of doing this. It won't stop trolls and people who deliberately flame for their own enjoyment, but it should cut down on unintentional flame wars.
edit: Actually, even by doing that I still unintentionally flame on occasion(is there anyone who hasn't?).

[FinFangFoom]

I have to agree with most of what dragonz20 has said so far. I think the whole "Nobody understands me! I'm sarcastic!!" argument is very lame. If you look at the definition of sarcasm you'll see that in no way can it be considered friendly or good natured. I think most of the frequent sarcastic people (not all) are pretty bad at making it clear when they're joking and when their just being an ass. Personally I try not to ever get involved in flame wars, and have had to delete some pretty nasty responses before I hit the send button, instead I try to just point out when someone is being hypocritical or is out of line. I'm glad I did or I would have laid into some people who turned out to be pretty cool in my opinion. There are a few other regular or semi-regular people on this forum who I really don't like, but would rather keep it to myself than help ruin this forum.

[boneyjellyfish]

Originally Posted by dragonz20

If I don't know you or don't know of you or keep track of how you write, how am i suppose to know if someone is being sarcastic or not?... those that are familiar with you may understand but others will read your writing and then believe you actually mean it. i've made that mistake once or twice already and it started a flame war (it was actually w/ superchop and darkzero but we patch it all up). anyway, what i am saying is that if u are gonna be sarcastic, it would be awefully useful to note it somewhere in the post... if not, you can't blame others for misunderstanding you.

I completely agree with what you've written here. I've had to learn it the hard way myself :\

[Superchop]

dragonz20 - I agree with you completely but that brings up something i've said...we can't take every post seriously cause it might be someone's sad attempt at being sarcastic or making a joke...

And after being in a few flame wars, with you, p3psi and a couple of others in a ps3 thread (but i dont really think that one is a flame war), those fights being over misunderstood posts and sarcasm, i've learned that for the most part everyone in here is a good person and they dont really like being part of flame wars...it's just that a little spark ignites and all of a sudden their right in the middle...luckily for me those people that i've had a few little disagreements with were nice people and we patched things up rather quickly ending the flame war...but cause of those people i've learned that i can't take everything seriously anymore.

[Cammie]

Its so nice to see everyone agreeing finally!

I also would like to apologize to each and everyone of you for any misunderstandings/arguements.

Again Gomen!
Cammie

[Megane]

Originally Posted by Cammie

Its so nice to see everyone agreeing finally!

Well, at least we've agreed there is some amount of flaming going on, which may or may not be the case with this thread, and that maybe some of us might need to do something about the flaming in general :/

I can't help but feel that we're back at square one...

But I feel that this has been a good example of how a thread can pull out of a nose dive, how heated discussion can turn around and become civilised when it may have been headed in a bad direction before.

[chris]

I dont understand why you guys say flaming is big in anime suki, i can understand that it is hard for the mods/ admins to keep controll of the forum because i am a mod/ admin on other forums. This forum is not as bad as emulator zone with flaming so you should feel lucky. Also i think that a harsh punishment will not be good because everyone slips up every once in a while, dont deny it because your not perfect. i know myself i am not perfect and alot of you dont know me well because i never use to post here. My only thing i can say is that you can try to get more mods to controll the situation but it is all up to ghd in the end.

[AG3]

Originally Posted by chris

I dont understand why you guys say flaming is big in anime suki, i can understand that it is hard for the mods/ admins to keep controll of the forum because i am a mod/ admin on other forums. This forum is not as bad as emulator zone with flaming so you should feel lucky. Also i think that a harsh punishment will not be good because everyone slips up every once in a while, dont deny it because your not perfect. i know myself i am not perfect and alot of you dont know me well because i never use to post here. My only thing i can say is that you can try to get more mods to controll the situation but it is all up to ghd in the end.

You're absolutely right, this forum isn't anywhere near being as bad as some of the other forums out there. And I am sure most people here want to keep it that way. Both the Mods and the long-term members have noticed an increase in flames. When I made this thread, it wasn't the sporadic flame by a few of the members I was most concerned about; those things happen. It was the (as the title implies) HABITUAL flamers I were concerned with. The people who post almost nothing but flames or flamebait.

Remember that the Mods here are very lenient, we do have a lot of freedom here, even if it might not seem like it at times. But that freedom comes with a responsibility, a responsibility which some people seem unable to handle. People who are banned from AnimeSuki have usually done something extremely bad, or shown repetive disregard for the rules in a short space of time. What I was proposing was that the Mods keep a bit closer tab on the members, so they can spot repeating flamers and the like easier. This is, needless to say, a huge undertaking, unless there is a simple way for the Mods to quickly register repeating flamers (kinda like the reputation system). You know, a "three strikes - you're out" kind of thing. Is it doable, or even worth it? A temp ban if you exceed a certain number of (not extremely serious) rule violations within a set period of time can be a fair system, but one that is probably not easily implemented.

And it shouldn't even be necessary to begin with. But if people can't proove themselves worthy of the freedom they actually have...

[chris]

I think the main thing is that we need more people that can ban, i agree with your give them warnings i think the person should be warned twice and then a permenent ban. There is no real easy way to do this though other then a ip ban and i have not worked with vbullitin much. but the rules in here are relaxed and i think we may come to a point where the rules eventualy are going to have to be harsher. The biggist problem is the lack of respect showen towards others on the internet. therefor if we had more moderation(hint to ghd) and tighter rules maybe there will be less of a ongoing problem.

[AG3]

I can agree that more moderation might be in order, but finding the right people isn't that easy. If you get Mods that can't get along with the majority of the members, you have a real serious problem. Another thing is where the prospective Mods live. A lot of the Mods/Admins here live in Europe, which means that at certain times of the day/night you will have very little Mod attention. Finding people with the proper qualifications in a preferred part of the world isn't that easy. It's better to have too few Mods, but Mods that people can get along with and respect, than having several Mods that a lot of the members can't stand.

*Edit*
And of course, just getting along with people won't necessarily make you a good Mod.

[GipFace]

If you don't like someone, the easiest way to ignore them is to add them to your ignore list. Simple, huh?

The flame war quickly dies out because they are muted so you won't have to hear their babble.

[Keitaro]

Ignore List...I've never used it before. Does it ignore both PM & forum posts?

[GipFace]

Yeah, it does. the problem is that most people end up abusing the "quote" function so there's a chance you'll see the flamer's post anyway.

[NoSanninWa]

And another "failing" of the ignore function is that you aren't allowed to ignore a moderator.

[JAppi]

Originally Posted by NoSanninWa

And another "failing" of the ignore function is that you aren't allowed to ignore a moderator.

Who would ever wanna ignore the mods when they're so amazing?