2007-08-26, 13:57 | Link #1121 |
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You can hardly expect a student to suddenly turn up in an outdated Knightmare, that is basically just a frame with no weapons, and have built a bomb that could take out Tokyo. The Knightmare itself is no threat against the current models. Plus you'd hardly expect students to fight back really.
As for the Academy, it was only really attackable by air since they'd collasped the ground all around it. Any attack from the ground would be futile because of the disadvantage of being shreaded to pieces before they can make an attack. The Avalon wasn't in Tokyo at the start of the attack on Tokyo. It's not part of the normal defence forces. And to top it off, the person in charge of it atm is a scientist, not a soldier. It was even stated in the episodes that for Llyod to turn up on the front lines is highly unusual. Plus the Avalon is a one of kind airship, that is very vulnerable to the Gawain if it was around due to the shields only being on the bottom of the ship. It was just bad luck that the people in charge of that ship happened to have enough motivation to go to the academy instead of helping where they should really be. Which is helping defend the government HQ. There was no real need for Britannian to attack the academy. It was only attacked for personal reasons that have nothing to do with the war.
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That still doesnt change the meaning of your earlier statement, that was "they were useless as troops." as they failed to secure the school. Not to mention securing the school was a mission given to them, if they fail the mission, they fail as troops. Since you're pretty much confusing me with differences applying in this case, I'd suggest you refrain from calling them useless. Last edited by Chudley; 2007-08-26 at 21:25. |
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"For example, Lelouch ordering the Black Knights to secure the school as a headquarters was actually quite a good tactic. However, it didn't work out because because his troops were useless." It's pretty obvious what context I put that in. I'm not sure why you're so confused.
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Wasn't it addressed already? I don't understand why you're still disputing this point. Zero and majority of the OoBk forces were not at the HQ, but on the battlefield. Committing troops here to destroy the OoBK HQ equates to a minor victory at most. However this makes the Britannian HQ more vulnerable and if the OoBK were to take over their HQ, they win the battle and emerge as overall victors. Quote:
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Hmm Ougi got shot, incompetence on whose part? He certainly did not expect Viletta to regain her memories at such an untimely period. V.V. appears out of thin air and abducts Nunally, again who was being incompetent here? I doubt anyone could have stopped Nunally's abduction, given that V.V. has supernatural powers. Quote:
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By the way, while Lloyd and Cecille aren't part of the Britannian regular military, they are a special detachment of it. Quote:
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Well you thought that the Black Knights screwed up big while I thought that luck played a bigger part here. We're both entitled to our own opinions I guess |
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Here's another one: Cornelia could have ordered Lloyd to attack the school. Quote:
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Erm did you read the rest of my point? Seems to me that you only read the first sentence. Quote:
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What're you trying to imply here? I clearly gave an overview of how luck played a big part and the implications, which resulted in a chain of events leading to the OoBK facing imminent defeat. On the contrary, your opinions are supported by highly questionable points drew upon one incident. |
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Seriously though, do you truly know what the purpose of a headquarters is? Quote:
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If you think that my points are so questionable then I'm sure you'll find it easy to demonstrate why.
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If you had linked the sentences together, they would have made more sense. I gave the reasons as to why a full security sweep was not viable and you apparently did not absorb it. Quote:
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Are you feigning ignorance here ? Avalon is a bid bad float system ship that can hardly be missed if it was anywhere near the Tokyo settlement, especially since Zero has the Gawain and its aerial capabilities. Not to mention the Avalon would have been expected to defend the Britannian HQ, which was under heavy enemy fire. Quote:
I've been illustrating my points that challenge yours posts after posts, thereby demonstrating my opinion. Were you half-asleep while browsing throught the posts? |
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I read this statement off a forum the other day and thought that it really applied well here. "When you enter the world of anime, you need to suspend the disbelief. You can't really apply realism to things in anime.". Obviously, you're incorporating hell lot of realism here and you'd do better otherwise. Regarding the strategy you suggested, have you rewatched ep 24? Cornelia's forces were surrounded up down left right hello? They were obviously in no position to send detachments anywhere -_-'' I'd honestly appreciate it if you point out why instead of giving one-liners now and then. Due to Avalon's appearance? I rest my case here as well. Quote:
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That's exactly how I feel on this end. Except I've been pointing out your misconceptions and mistakes while you (apparently) haven't? Shouldn't you have addressed the fallacies I was committing then, instead of doing so after we're so far into this discussion? Well no one's stopping you, so good luck browsing through dozens of posts while digging them out |
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And by going on about stuff like "that kind of response was hardly a surprise" and "Let me tell you what troops, regardless whether you deem them good or bad, usually do", aren't you trying to use "realism" to justify your arguments? Isn't this hypocrisy? Quote:
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"I stated that the OoBK did secure their immdediate surroundings, referring to the area where their operations will be based, not places like the school basement or sewage system." -Stating something is very different from showing that it is so. In what way did the Black Knights perform more than a cursory job of it? You've also done nothing to justify why this was a good idea which is why I never bothered to address it. Heck, you've never even explained how the Black Knights are short on manpower. Was there a line to that effect in the show? "Do not forget that the Black Knights at school have to run the operations and keep an eye on the students as well." -Non sequitur. Securing the grounds was the priority. Everything else is sort of pointless if you fail at such a basic task. Besides, as I've pointed out many times, it's not as if they even got these other "operations" right. "Hence conducting a full security sweep here, including the basement and sewage system, is nothing short of a luxury." -Unsupported claim. There's no need to address it. "On the contrary, Nina was hiding in the school basement, hence why no one found her." -Unsupported claim. Show where anyone was even looking in the first place. Didn't you claim earlier that the Black Knights had other things to do instead? Quote:
Context, context, context. Please pay attention to the context of my posts: the Black Knights were lucky in that somebody worse wasn't sent against them, or that Lloyd hadn't been given orders to level the place. By the way I never claimed that Lloyd was ordered to the school, so why are you bringing up this strawman (again and again and again). Quote:
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The guards who vacated the room would be incompetent in the case of Nunally and her friends. It's the part about letting them get away that's worse than Nunally vanishing. Quote:
1. Not doing a proper security sweep. 2. Not securing their perimeter. 3. Not setting up early warning systems. 4. Not treating prisoners properly. Quote:
And seriously, you don't seem to know very much about the things that you're trying to argue about. BSing about is fine if your opponent is equally ignorant, but those arguments looks awfully weak when this isn't the case.
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2007-08-28, 04:58 | Link #1134 |
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Part of the problem I'm having with your answers 4Tran is that you're treating the Black Knights as a fully trained military unit. They aren't. And that's pretty clear a lot of the time, so expecting military responses from them is a bit much. I'd expect it from the members who were Japanese military before Britannia took control, but they're all stuck on the front lines. The rest are in way over what they're used to and so won't react as well to the situation. The fact they got where they got to is from Zero. They don't have the brains or experience to be able to have pulled this off.
Besides, to make proper sense of things you need to apply CG world realism, not ours since they do differ.
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2007-09-01, 21:39 | Link #1137 |
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Unfortunately, no; I think it's pretty much certain that Geass will not be airing this upcoming Fall season. With the new Gundam series premiering this October, Sunrise probably didn't want the two shows to go against each other.
Since Gundam 00 is going to be split up into two seasons, I'd say that Geass S2 is likely to air in Spring '08. |
2007-09-01, 22:21 | Link #1138 |
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Hey sorry for the late reply was on vacation. Hmm 4Tran I cbf responding to any more of your uber long posts, doesn't look like its gonna end anytime soon so I'd give it a rest. As mentioned before you're entitled to your opinions and so am I.
Yea I reckon CG S2's gonna air in 2008, like what Destinyblade said. With an upcoming Gundam series this October and Shakugan no Shana 2 replacing Darker than Black's timeslot (which was CG's prev timeslot), I'd say best bet is '08 |
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I'm back! I told you they won't be airing this fall. I was Right!(as i mentioned earlier, despite the whole controversy is going on between gundam 00 and code geass,winner - gundam 00 will be aired this fall.)
2008 there will be long wait for us. Code Geass will continue 2008 |
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