Zero no Tsukaima (third season) - Episode 7 Discussion / Poll

[Rising Dragon]

Originally Posted by 1nakata

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I do feel sorry for Henrietta she lost her love and now eyes Saito. But it was sort of his fault that he followed through with the princess actions, as she tricked him into believing she was Louise. I find it interesting that Colbert is back I hope they explain how he's alive and more info of Tabatha helping sheffield.

Surprisingly enough, I don't think the devout novel-reading fans were all that surprised with Colbert's return, for obvious reasons.

[Darknemo2000]

The problem is that the situation of Colbert's death in anime and novels are different.. In novels it is explained pretty well, but i can't see the same thing in anime... Well maybe the authors will ignore the explanation hoping that the ZnT audience are so ignorant that they do not care about plot (or plot holes) and would be interested in only more boobs.

[Shiroth]

Yeah his death in the second season was well, death. Just bringing him back like that is seriously wtf, and i'm pretty sure the explanation for it is gonna be completely wacky. Anyway at least it explains where Kirche has been all this time.

Anyway great episode yet again. I do love the comedy in this season, 'cause every joke just seems to hit the spot. Especially Guiche's scenes --- i just knew he'd turn out to be himself at the ball.

Also something i wanted to mention in this thread was the whole Henrietta/Saito incident. At the end of the day he went to kiss her, and he knew it. He couldn't give Louise a reason as to why he did it, so the drama surrounding all that was quite different from what we've seen upto now in this series. I do wonder if they'll follow up on that.

[Silaqui]

I think that was the best episode of this season until now, but it leaves two questions in my head.

- How did Colbert come back to life?
- Is Henrietta working with the enemy or is she really interested in Saito?

[Rising Dragon]

I'm not sure whose masquerade was creepier... Osmond's, or Tiffania's.

[nines]

I think Tiffanias was....Saito with giant boobs thats just creepy, Osmond ateast had a hot lady :P.

All i can say since i understand most of the episode is Saito no baka >.>

[Stridone]

Old Osmond was epic! Best joke of the season probably. Saito is an idiot, and I don't like the preview for the next episode (Louise being pissed at Saito AGAIN, when will there finally be some development in their relationship?). Still, it was an enjoyable episode.

[Xhokhusmak]

The first scene of this episode was animated amazingly well done. If only the entire series was done the same way. It reminded me of the old Disney cartoon epics.

Don't make fun of me, but when Colbert died in season2, I was almost crying, such a great scene. Now they've ruined that memory... =(

[gugumomu]

Originally Posted by Farplaner

First half was very fun. The bit about the princess kinda pissed me off (it's completely Saito's fault this time)

the scriptwriters/director or whoever sets the story details really do try hard to put Saito in a bad light (my opinion is that they don’t care at all about the little details in the anime). at this point Louise knows that Saito is "madly in love" with her and Saito also knows that Louise has feelings for him (even though she didn’t yet confess, she accepts his advances) , still he lightly kisses another girl (what is his excuse? trying to comfort the princess?). Darknemo2000, you're right. Saito is a bastard. maybe we'll have a "Saito gets them all" ending
first half was very funny, way better then the comedy in ep6. second half was plainly rushed.

[incube]

I was pissed before because it seemed that Saito was cheating Louise because of bigger breasts... and that would be simply stupid.

This time it was different... there were feelings involved and i dont think loving someone is wrong. Henrietta really likes Saito but she stopped herself all this time because she knew how Louise felt. She didnt plan to turn into Louise and trick Saito during the ball but things just happened to turn out like that... im not saying what Henrietta did was ok but at least i can understand and forgive her...

Now back to Saito. The first kiss can be overlooked because he thought it was Louise but the second one wasnt nice, although i get the feeling it was pity/compassion rather than love that made him do that. Life isnt easy for Saito either... being called "water flea" all the time and 90% of time with Louise he is either being punished or ignored.

Considering all this and he apologising to Louise at the end..... i guess i can forgive him this time. No man is perfect and we are talking about teenagers love here xD

Originally Posted by gugumomu

the scriptwriters/director or whoever sets the story details really do try hard to put Saito in a bad light (my opinion is that they don’t care at all about the little details in the anime). at this point Louise knows that Saito is "madly in love" with her and Saito also knows that Louise has feelings for him (even though she didn’t yet confess, she accepts his advances) , still he lightly kisses another girl (what is his excuse? trying to comfort the princess?). Darknemo2000, you're right. Saito is a bastard. maybe we'll have a "Saito gets them all" ending
first half was very funny, way better then the comedy in ep6. second half was plainly rushed.

Louise knows that Saito loves her and he proved it more than enough times but what about Louise's efforts? Sacrifises always came from Saito (not going back to his world and even prepared to die for her) but Louise cannot say something as simple as "i love you"?

I was angry at Saito on the previous episodes because he was betraying Louise for bigger breasts. What was the meaning for all he sacrificied? This time at least there is something to backup his actions.

[Darknemo2000]

Thats because Louise's pride, which could be left behind easily if only Saito would show more that he cares...But..One moment he shows he cares - the other he goes all whooing about big breasts destroying all that moment... yes, healthy young man, yes, blah blah blah but again twe are not just monkeys thinking with only genetalia... There is something in between...And Saito fails to show that, or when he is very close to that he goes off and kills the moment completely...

I can understand why Louise is so angry. It is not like Saito is the best guy around. He is not particularly inspiring about his love.. I would be doubting his feelings by now for sure... yep he does heroic effort..says he loves..and goes off ogling other girls or kissing them...

[Franckisted]

For those who read the novel, I have a request.
Please could you tell my the differences between these 2 scenes:

1- Saito/Henrietta "almost" kissing and Louise showing up.
2- Colbert return.

Thank you very much.

[incube]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Thats because Louise's pride, which could be left behind easily if only Saito would show more that he cares...But..One moment he shows he cares - the other he goes all whooing about big breasts destroying all that moment... yes, healthy young man, yes, blah blah blah but again twe are not just monkeys thinking with only genetalia... There is something in between...And Saito fails to show that, or when he is very close to that he goes off and kills the moment completely...

I can understand why Louise is so angry. It is not like Saito is the best guy around. He is not particularly inspiring about his love.. I would be doubting his feelings by now for sure... yep he does heroic effort..says he loves..and goes off ogling other girls or kissing them...

i agree that there are no excuses for Saito's "healthy" behaviors and since this season started i've been wanting to punch him so many times ..... but this time it wasnt just some stupid monkey impulse. Even though i dont like it, i cant say that either of them were completly wrong.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Thats because Louise's pride, which could be left behind easily if only Saito would show more that he cares...But..One moment he shows he cares - the other he goes all whooing about big breasts destroying all that moment... yes, healthy young man, yes, blah blah blah but again twe are not just monkeys thinking with only genetalia... There is something in between...And Saito fails to show that, or when he is very close to that he goes off and kills the moment completely...

Saito did quite well against Siesta last episode, and in the past he got away with touching Tifa's breasts (even though he shouldn't, though he used what she said as an excuse), though this time he has no way of getting out of it.

What i guess will happen, is that Henrietta will speak to Louise about it.

[incube]

I believe the only one Saito loves is Louise no matter how stupid he might become in front of a pair of breasts.... the real problem now is the relationship between Henrietta and Louise. I never liked Henrieta's character... she is too dependable on others and isnt dependable at all as a Queen.

[aliasxn]

Originally Posted by Darknemo2000

Thats because Louise's pride, which could be left behind easily if only Saito would show more that he cares...

Saito wouldn't be that way if Louise would show more that she cares. She still acts like she is ashamed of being seen in public with him... Saito has to make all the commitments and sacrifices and she doesn't?

At some point in the story Louise agreed to marry another man, nobody should give Saito a hard time. Serves her right...

[ipernorris]

At the end of second seson didn't Louise and Saito marry?!? So what the heck are you guys talking about Louise still not confessing to Saito?!? A married couple is SUPPOSED to love each other, it's pretty implicit.

[crystalalien87]

WOW alot of mixed feeling in here....i can see good points on both sides but its not like he did kiss her? if he didnt care he wouldnt have run after her and made such an effort to apologize to her....as for the princess i never really liked her so my comment will be biased... she needs to keep it in her own pants ...and saito knows louise like him especially at that last scene...
I believe the next episode will explain alot of thing...which will give the viewers something to be happy with... i kinda hope louise slaps the princess like in the novel or a extreme apology...
I predict the first half Louise still being mad and towards the end a make up.. I saw Kirche doing something so she might be part of the "pissing louise off"

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by aliasxn

Saito wouldn't be that way if Louise would show more that she cares. She still acts like she is ashamed of being seen in public with him... Saito has to make all the commitments and sacrifices and she doesn't?

You're not understanding the real problem here, Saito has already said a number of times that he loves Louise and no one else --- so why is he going to kiss Henrietta?

Originally Posted by aliasxn

At some point in the story Louise agreed to marry another man, nobody should give Saito a hard time. Serves her right...

Louise hasn't done nothing wrong, she's just a little week at showing her love to others --- though she's growing as the show progresses, opening up more to the man she loves. It's Saito who's in the wrong here.

[aliasxn]

Originally Posted by ipernorris

At the end of second seson didn't Louise and Saito marry?!? So what the heck are you guys talking about Louise still not confessing to Saito?!? A married couple is SUPPOSED to love each other, it's pretty implicit.

Well, for one the only reason she did it was because she thought she was going to die. And secondly, let's not forget the way she approached him about it... It was something like: "I don't wanna die without getting married, and since you are the only man in town I guess you will have do, can't be helped". Right, right, we know that's not how she truly felt, and that the only reason she wanted to go alone was to spare Saito's life. But still, fact remains that she never truly confessed to Saito.

Originally Posted by Shiroth

You're not understanding the real problem here, Saito has already said a number of times that he loves Louise and no one else --- so why is he going to kiss Henrietta?

But that is the real problem here, Louise never said "I love you". Until she does he can see other people.

Louise hasn't done nothing wrong, she's just a little week at showing her love to others --- though she's growing as the show progresses, opening up more to the man she loves. It's Saito who's in the wrong here.

Well, in that case Saito hasn't done anything wrong either, he is just a little weak at saying "no" to hot chicks who keep falling into his lap. Since they are not officialy married and she never openly admitted to being his girlfriend, thecnically he didn't even cheat on her. He might have hurt her feelings (which is something she does to him on constant basis with the way she treats him), but didn't cheat.