2011-03-18, 19:40 | Link #81 | |
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There's definitely plenty of stuff suggesting it. You can refuse to believe it nevertheless if you like, though. |
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2011-03-19, 01:48 | Link #85 |
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As for the mystery part of Umineko. I think it depends on how you see it. Technically speaking, EPs 1-4 can be seen as 4 separate mystery novels all of which have a proper answer. Of course, whether the answer is acceptable is another thing. But, one way or the other, there is one, and the mysteries on those novels got solved.
EPs 5-8 seem to be a different thing. Notice the setting is rather different, since the stories play out differently, and these episodes are definitely more meta. These episodes were the ones that revealed (or, more clearly, gave hints) to reach the answers in the first four episodes. Yet, at the same time, they told us about the characters - as in, aside the mystery - and also about the supposed real events in Rokkenjima. In fact, if we go by EPs 7-8 we can technically say we've got enough information to tell what actually happened in the island. Of course, this case is no mystery at all, because even though we can find information about it in the mysteries (i.e. EPs 1-4) there were definitely no hints to reach the actual culprits and how the actual crime was pulled of. So, I wouldn't say Umineko is a mystery novel, but the mysteries stories contained in it, definitely worked as such.
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2011-03-19, 03:21 | Link #86 | |
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What about the fact that we are shown several scenes with Battler alone in the closed room filled with panic, terror and despair? If the genius Battler theory was true then Battler would have never been in a real pinch and could have never made those thoughts. There is absolutely no observer of those scenes apart from those outside the story. The genius Battler theory would imply that the sixth game is even worse than Heavy Rain. Also there was absolutely no reason for Battler to not reveal that he planned it all along in the end, something that he never does, nor anyone anywhere does.
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2011-03-19, 03:36 | Link #87 |
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Well, the scene in the closed room isn't necessarily mutually exclusive with the Genius Battler theory, though. Battler's behaviour could be very well understood depending on how much time he spent in that place. Even if he got there in purpose, expecting to get a reaction from Beato so that she could be restored/awakened to her previous self, at some point he could easily have become frustrated, and no matter what his plan is, he started to lose it. That'd be part of the risk in his bet.
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2011-03-19, 03:37 | Link #88 | |
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Also why are we talking about Genius Battler theory in the mystery thread...?
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2011-03-19, 10:12 | Link #89 | |
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Though there is Orient Express's "This is what happened, right everyone, wink wink?" But that was after he'd figured it all out, not a trick to get someone to reveal otherwise.
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2011-03-19, 12:40 | Link #91 |
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I don't think there's a very good mystery equivalent to what Battler did.
Maybe if the detective, like... convicted himself as the criminal so that he could buy some time, or something? And then somehow this is all part of a master plan to get his adorable female Watson to awaken to her true deductive powers, and simultaneously fall in love with him while rescuing him from jail? brb, writing a mystery novel. |
2011-03-19, 13:17 | Link #92 | |
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2011-03-19, 17:42 | Link #93 | |
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2011-03-19, 19:06 | Link #98 |
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And for Canadians, Chapters is great for finding old mystery books for a reasonable price. All used and sold by members rather than the actual store(of course) but the price is somewhat reasonable, even if the shipping kills it at times. Lots of Queen and Carr over there. If all fails, Amazon (usually) has some copies available even if at a rather terrible price.
Which is great for me because I've got absolutely no idea where my Queen books are, I might just have to buy some more. |
2011-03-19, 21:26 | Link #99 |
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Do you guys have any experience with Japanese mystery novels? My only experience is with Ranpo, and that comes down to only a few novels, since his most popular works have not been translated (really a pity). There's also an anime I saw, which is the adaptation of a book of the same name called Mōryō no Hako (I'd recommend anyone who hasn't watched to watch it).
Anyway, I really need more books from Queen. I've only read the Chinese Orange Mystery. I'd also like to give Van Dine a try, since I've never read any of his works. Sadly, his books along with Queen's are rather difficult to find.
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2011-03-19, 21:40 | Link #100 |
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I don't have much experience with Japanese mystery novels to be honest, although I'd like to change that.
Van Dine's works are available in free pdfs(legally) so if you want those, they are easy to find. They are also very cheap on kindle if you got one of those, all 12 novels for 7 or 8 dollars. |
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