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Old 2014-12-02, 21:47   Link #3781
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I'm sorry if I don't properly explain this since I'm an autodidact myself. Maybe someone else can help explain things that I don't explain well.

なんて「言ってきてもよさそう」だけど

The important bit is in that bracket. Nante part is just referring to the previous sentence, while dakedo part is loosely similar to tag.

As for the word in bracket, the first part is the "ittekite" and then "yosasou". Now, I'm not sure how to explain the exact functional difference between "Ittekite", "ittemite", and plain "ittete" so I can't really help you on this, aside from the fact that it's derived from "iu" which means "say", and that should be good enough for now. Yosasou part is derived from "yoi/ii", which means "good". Yosasou roughly means "(it) would be good (to do)", or "seems good".

So, "ittekitemo yosasou" roughly means "it would be good to say (it)". However, as you can see, translating this part into English from the whole sentence in the example would result in gibberish so in this case it's better to modify it like I did back there.
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Old 2014-12-02, 21:54   Link #3782
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yes he's reporting what an other person said but i know that part i had put the arrow there becouse i was dubios since i wasn't figuring out the previous line.

can you give me some more datail on the underlined sentence if is not a bother? i have to learn how the line is build or i wont be able to translte similiar lines in future, thank you anyway for your help i did get a general idea
もう、ラーセンさんが来てから三ヶ月にもなるのに、アメリカのお母さんから一度も手紙が来ないのは、どうい うわけだろう、「娘がお世話になっております」なんて言ってきてもよさそうなものだけど、なんておっしゃってましたよ。
In the reported speech (underlined), the original speaker is complaining about Larsen(?)'s mother in America not sending a letter even once after Larsen has come here for 3 months, and she(the Mom) should at least say "thanks for taking care of my daughter(my daughter has been in your care)" to the original speaker.

なんて言ってきてもよさそうなものだけど
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なんて - something like (「娘がお世話になっております」)
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言って - tell/say ( Vて form)
:: きて - come (Vて form) --> Vていきます/Vてきます can be conjugated as suffixes to a 'Vて' for a few purposes; here, it is acting as a suffix to 言って to indicate direction towards the speaker
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も - particle; --> here you can replace with 'even' ==> "even 'saying something like "thanks for taking care of my daughter"'
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よさそう - this is actually a conjugation of 'いい (good/nice)' + そう. Normally, conjugating そう as a suffix to i-adjective will drop the い. But いい is special and it turns into よさ during conjugation. This そう suffix is one of the several "seems like / hearsay" forms; there are others like みたい and らしい and each has its own usage rules. However I don't want to go into details here. Generally, you can replace with "looks" or "seems".
For eg.
おいしそう - looks/seems delicious
楽しそう - looks/seems fun
よさそう - looks/seems good/nice
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==> よさそう is like a na-adjective so we use な to modify もの
I'm sure you know what だけど/ですけど means literally; here it's used more as a way of indicating disapproval/disagreement/protest.

So, なんて言ってきてもよさそうなものだけど is in other words saying that it'd be (at least) nice that the mother sends a word of thanks for taking care of her daughter or something to that effect (even if she's unable to write a letter for any reason).
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Old 2014-12-03, 08:04   Link #3783
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Thanks for the quick feedback!

I don't mind if it sounds a little 'odd', but I want to avoid it being too far out there, and certainly I want to avoid bad spelling and grammar

It doesn't have to be real, but it to look realistic if you follow me, though Takahashi looks pretty solid at the moment because of its location reference, unless there a nice way to get something a bit closer without falling into the "Sparkles Stardust" of Japaneses naming
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If you are writing fantasy might as well go full Chuuni. Use alternate reading for your writing!

Jokes aside, a search on Arashi (嵐) with a family index returns this:
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Assuming that the index is accurate, it turns out that there are 11 families having the family name 風嵐 (it has 3 possible readings: Kazaarashi / Kazarashi / Kazearashi). Or you can use the same index to find the name you want.
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Old 2014-12-03, 12:31   Link #3784
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@erneiz+larethian: wow thanks guys for the details on this. this teextbook is good but is not the best for self study since it has no translation of the pratice dialogue so i dont really have sothing to compere to see if i'm translating it right so is kind of awkard sometimes. anyway thank you very much for the details, been stuck on this lesson for a bit and i can finally move to the next

thank you very much again
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Old 2014-12-04, 17:26   Link #3785
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What Chuuni mean btw?
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Old 2014-12-05, 22:20   Link #3786
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Not sure what you want to review. N4 and N5 should be extremely easy for even the lazy student.
First time to take it. Even if I somehow screw this up, doubt my folks will cover for this (which I unederstand since I need to work soon). Which means that I'll have to make sure I pass.

If anything, I'm practicing listening first.
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Old 2014-12-06, 03:44   Link #3787
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Since JLPT are all written in Japanese (at least it was when I took my N3), then you better make damn sure you remember at least the whole kana. Though I'm not sure in which level kanji is first used in the tests (I think I had them when I took mine, but could be wrong I forgot), remembering the more basic ones never hurt.

Listening was indeed the part that I had some difficulties in (43/60), but I got perfect score for reading and 50/60 for vocabulary. IMO, you better practice more in those two last part because (I think) they're relatively easier to master.
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Old 2014-12-06, 09:26   Link #3788
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What Chuuni mean btw?
http://www.urbandictionary.com/defin...erm=Chuunibyou
Also, if you watch Inou-Battle wa Nichijou-kei no Naka de, you will understand why I said that
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First time to take it. Even if I somehow screw this up, doubt my folks will cover for this (which I unederstand since I need to work soon). Which means that I'll have to make sure I pass.

If anything, I'm practicing listening first.
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Since JLPT are all written in Japanese (at least it was when I took my N3), then you better make damn sure you remember at least the whole kana. Though I'm not sure in which level kanji is first used in the tests (I think I had them when I took mine, but could be wrong I forgot), remembering the more basic ones never hurt.

Listening was indeed the part that I had some difficulties in (43/60), but I got perfect score for reading and 50/60 for vocabulary. IMO, you better practice more in those two last part because (I think) they're relatively easier to master.
Anyway it's kind of late since it's tomorrow. Good luck Yu Ominae
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Old 2014-12-06, 09:30   Link #3789
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well next year I have a quick course about japanese language.....in japan.

I guess need some beginner introduction lesson. any idea?
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Old 2014-12-06, 20:50   Link #3790
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Anyway it's kind of late since it's tomorrow. Good luck Yu Ominae
I know. My friend told me that it should be easy to handle even for someone like me.
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Old 2014-12-07, 01:30   Link #3791
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well next year I have a quick course about japanese language.....in japan.

I guess need some beginner introduction lesson. any idea?
http://japaneseclass.jp/ is a good site for beginners. It wouldn't teach you how to form a sentence but gives you all the info about vocabularies and kanji.
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Old 2014-12-07, 01:52   Link #3792
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So I just got back from the N3 test just now. Taught myself Japanese for a year using Genki and decided to go for something official. Bunpou, Kanji and Dokkai were fairly ok, not very sure about Bunpou though since I haven't touched the intermidiate book yet, however Choukai was a total disaster! It was so different listening in a test room and the echo was so horrible I couldn't make out which is which towards the end at all...

Anyway I'm gonna take it again next summer.

If anyone's looking for revision materials, Goukaku dekiru and Sou matome are pretty decent books. The listening exercises of Goukaku are very easy compared to the real thing but I like it Dokkai and Bunpou very much. The Sou matome is an all-rounder, its Dokkai is fairly easy though.
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Old 2015-01-11, 18:57   Link #3793
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hum ok i need some advice now, i started study with genki integrated course in elementary japanese and after that i studied with "an integrated approach to intermediate japanese" (was not as clear as genki though) now what should i do to go on from here? specialy kanji wise, for now i'm tring to read warious manga then confront my own translation whit those of scanlation groups but is not helping me much, specialy in memorizing kanji, any suggestion? i never wanted a teacher in my life more than now T_T
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Old 2015-01-11, 19:25   Link #3794
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hum ok i need some advice now, i started study with genki integrated course in elementary japanese and after that i studied with "an integrated approach to intermediate japanese" (was not as clear as genki though) now what should i do to go on from here? specialy kanji wise, for now i'm tring to read warious manga then confront my own translation whit those of scanlation groups but is not helping me much, specialy in memorizing kanji, any suggestion? i never wanted a teacher in my life more than now T_T
Good question since there is not many textbooks for an advanced level. I decided to go with Authentic Japanese: Progressing from Intermediate to Advanced. However, Nihongo Chukyu J501 seems to focuses on JLPT N2 and N1. Aozora, maybe covers Advanced level Japanese grammar. But note that once you start using advanced level Japanese textbooks, it will have very little English (besides the grammar points).

Koohii wiki gives a nice comparison of Japanese textbooks.
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hum ok i need some advice now, i started study with genki integrated course in elementary japanese and after that i studied with "an integrated approach to intermediate japanese" (was not as clear as genki though) now what should i do to go on from here? specialy kanji wise, for now i'm tring to read warious manga then confront my own translation whit those of scanlation groups but is not helping me much, specialy in memorizing kanji, any suggestion? i never wanted a teacher in my life more than now T_T
If you're just trying to find a way to help you memorize Kanji there are SRS (space repetition software) programs that you can use to help with that. I use Anki, but I'm pretty sure there are others. There are also phone apps that you can download. I use one called Tango Master for my windows phone. I believe there's also a version for apple an android phones. It's a really nice app, the only downside is that when it quizzes you on kanji it focuses on just onyomi readings and not kunyomi readings as well.

There's also a site called Tangorin that has kanji lists which can be imported into just about any SRS program. There's also Quizlet which has different lessons and vocab lists submitted by users.
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Old 2015-01-12, 10:21   Link #3796
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keep in mind that my main goal is to be able to read manga and light novel so i dont know how far should i go
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keep in mind that my main goal is to be able to read manga and light novel so i dont know how far should i go
You wanna learn all of the Jouyou Kanji, which consists of 2136 kanji and are pretty much all the kanji that Japanese school kids should know by the time they graduate high school. If you learn all of those you'll most like know at least 95% of all kanji that are likely to appear in a manga or light novel.
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sorry i meant grammar level wise on this point, at least since most manga and novel are aimed for young boy/girl i though maibe they wont use an extremely advanced grammar
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sorry i meant grammar level wise on this point, at least since most manga and novel are aimed for young boy/girl i though maibe they wont use an extremely advanced grammar
That unfortunately, I am less knowledgeable on. If I had to guess I would say if you have a JLPT N3 level of knowledge you could probably read most manga and light novels. If you're not really insure what that entails you can do a search for JLPT N3 sample questions and past tests and see how well you do.
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Old 2015-01-15, 11:23   Link #3800
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Personally I don't think it's a good idea to attempt mangas at N3. Compared to the test the Japanese used in most manga (save for seinen and josei ones) isn't 'proper' Japanese . If you're looking for something to read, I would recommend NHK News Web, I've been reading news there ever since I took the test last Dec and it really is a great help in terms of word building and sentence structure.

If reading news everyday isn't your cup of tea, I'd recommend this page http://syosetu.com/. They have all types of long and short novels for you to try and everything is free.
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