2010-05-31, 13:15 | Link #10761 |
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Is it possible for them to disconnect the phone from the Rokkenjima side, but still have it go through from the Nijima side?
I think a bomb activated by an external phone call at 24:00 would be fun.
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2010-05-31, 13:29 | Link #10762 | |
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2010-05-31, 13:34 | Link #10763 | |
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It was just a thought anyway I don't actually beleive that.
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2010-05-31, 13:47 | Link #10764 | |||
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The mastermind may well even want the gold, unaware that "Beatrice" has had access to it all along, but isn't telling the person because she doesn't consider them worthy of having it. This would be a significant blow to a mastermind candidate who thinks he or she has everything under control (Kyrie or George basically). Quote:
It is strange no one is ever dispatched to go check the phone box, however. There are a few fairly obvious reasons why that would be, though: Quote:
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2010-05-31, 18:00 | Link #10765 | |
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Regardless, I'm not sure the radio is broken either. I'm not even sure any of the inhabitants of the island knows how to operate one or that it was kept in working order over the years. Any dialogues that mention the radio just give up immediately, even though radio doesn't work like a phone and if nobody is hearing you now, that doesn't mean nobody will respond in the next thirty minutes -- in the ocean, radios move, and propagation conditions can change by the minute.
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2010-05-31, 18:31 | Link #10766 | |
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Doing that would require at least reading the manual for the PBX and having physical access to it.
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2010-05-31, 19:13 | Link #10767 |
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Did the fifth or sixth games rule out multiple personalities as a possibility?
If not then it could be that Shannon has three separate personalities - her own, Beatrice and Kanon - with Beatrice being the dominant one. This seems to work in the first two parts though I'll need to replay the first four to make sure it actually does. |
2010-05-31, 19:41 | Link #10768 |
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Well, the phone box has to be somewhere. No one ever really remarks on where it is, though my guess would be on the external part of the house. So maybe nobody wants to go out there because of the rain... but if they were serious about getting the police, surely they'd want to risk a little water to make sure the lines aren't messed up.
It's possible no one is qualified to fix the phone system though. Maybe they get a handyman for that. |
2010-05-31, 20:35 | Link #10769 | |
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Servants aren't much better either -- Gohda tolerates a kitchen with no ventilation while cooking on gas (huh?) and the most complex tool they ever touch is a bolt cutter. Only Shannon can supposedly get a motorboat to the islet all the way from Niijima where she rented it. Which, mind you, seems doubtful for one interesting reason. Assuming that it takes 20 minutes to get from Niijima at 40 knots, that's 25km over clear ocean. I very much doubt someone who just learned how drive a motorboat can do that without a GPS receiver (not available yet) and avoid getting lost along the way -- over that distance, a minor heading error would cause you to miss Rokkenjima entirely. P.S. Rosa might be able to use a sewing machine.
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2010-05-31, 21:05 | Link #10770 |
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The main question here is "why doesn't anyone even think to ask about that stuff?" That's the more intriguing question. If there's some kind of "game" or "play" or acting or magic show going on, then of course people aren't going to focus on that. And once murders begin in earnest, it may be too late to bother. If the family suspects the servants - and they usually do - then they've lost the only people who might have any technical expertise.
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2010-05-31, 21:18 | Link #10771 | |
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But while I'm convinced this is it for the radio (few people these days know what to really expect from a transceiver except people who use one on a regular basis) and Shannon's boat trip, phones in particular remain suspicious -- not because nobody thinks to try fixing them, which is handwavium still, but because the internal lines often remain working later. There's only two possibilities -- they were never broken and someone lied while everyone just accepted it for truth, or the PBX was turned off and then turned back on again when needed, possibly with pulling the external line out of it.
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2010-05-31, 21:41 | Link #10772 |
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Lying seems the most reasonable possibility. Turning the phones back on after you turned them off might make sense in ep1, but in other episodes it doesn't really seem like there's any point (either to turning them back on or turning them off in the first place). The question would then shift to who is lying, why, and who is just taking their word for it. Also possibly people who know the lines aren't broken but lie for their own purposes.
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2010-05-31, 21:45 | Link #10773 |
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What seems to bother me about the phones is that after the cousins start receiving calls in EP4 no one questions the phones working even though it would be the perfect opportunity to do so. They just witnessed the phone working and yet they don't think to use it? Did I forget something here or are they really that dense?
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2010-05-31, 21:49 | Link #10774 | |
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2010-05-31, 21:52 | Link #10775 | |
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2010-06-01, 03:10 | Link #10777 |
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I'm sure that he must have tried to call the mainland (he's not a complete idiot), but because we, the readers, already know that the external line was broken, a scene of him trying to dial the police was probably glossed over. It's unimportant.
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2010-06-01, 03:25 | Link #10778 | |
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Most of the scenes where he "detects" things are glossed over. I don't really remember many times where they narrate him investigating stuff. The only time I ever remember him being shown investigating anything is when he looked in the servants room in episode 2 and he only did that because Jessica and George were worried. It was only briefly mentioned too. The rest of the time he's fabricating alibis out of thin air for everybody.
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2010-06-01, 03:45 | Link #10779 |
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Well, again, it's because such scenes are unimportant.
Most of the puzzles in Umineko are based on logic and wording, not stuff like identifying the brand of a particular cigarette (which is one of the reasons why that "clue" seems so out of of place). Come to think of it, if anyone ever did some ACTUAL detecting of the various crime scenes, like, oh, basic police work, this game would be an easy one, wouldn't it? |
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