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Remember that final assault that took place immediately after Aizen released Kyouka Suigetsu (to reveal the one and only illusion we can prove he actually used)? Aizen specifically stated that they were all full of openings during their final assault. He was apparently strong enough, fast enough, and skilled enough to be able to see the openings and take advantage of them. As far as we can prove, Kyouka Suigetsu had absolutely nothing to do with that. Besides, like I stated above, Gin testifies for Aizen's strength *without* hypnosis. He was basically Kubo's proxy for trying to tell you that yes--Aizen is genuinely strong. Quote:
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2011-01-19, 13:43 | Link #165 | |
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About his shikai, they were all trapped offcourse some of them are just weak but those that teamed up and not just randomly attacked Aizen eg love/rose/lisa/komomaru and thought of a plan eg Hitsugaya, Shinsui, Hirako they were trapped in the illusion, this could simple be implied by Ichigo's reaction. They were all probably confused in the target without even knowing it only Ichigo knew. And Aizen is not that fast that he could hit all of them wide open, he's obviously not the only one who masterd hoho. And Aizen never unreleased his sword thats the whole point. The thing is we never knew the lengths of his ability. But he clearly implied to Hirako that Kyoga was already activated. He can control peoples sense at any given time.. if its already activated. if he doesn't want to doesn't mean he has to unrelease his sword. It's just the assumption that they made that he didn't release yet, because they don't know when it hits them when you have already witnessed it once. A good example is what happend in the fight against Yama, Aizen had him in his trap already.. only Yama knew it already and was prepared to get stabbed and turned the tables around. When you are trapped in an illusion you have no idea where ur enemy is at the moment, it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he can cut them down instantly because they don't know his were abouts. Why bother with Love, Rose and Komomaru seriously they are weak.. was anyone impressed with that? seriously. But you are right he didn't use it there but obviously he didn't need to. Last edited by Farscape; 2011-01-19 at 14:03. |
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On the contrary. That's a very big part of the point. Quote:
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2.) Complete Hypnosis is a cheap ability, but it still doesn't actually strike opponents for Aizen. In the end, he still has to be the one to attack. So if "he could hit all of them wide open" in the way that he did, then he had to have the skill and the speed to do it. Because his illusions can't do it for him. *edit* Don't try to down play it too much. They were still captain level. |
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The others were stroke in an instant similar to how Aizen attacked Yamamoto how hard is this to understand it's not pure speculation. Or do you believe that Aizen was fast enough for Yamamoto to? when he clearley states that Yamamoto is already to late implying that he is already in an illusion. And my point was if someone is not aware of the situation you can easily strike them without them noticing doh? Some of the VC got sliced down due to kyoga because they thought Hinomari stood up but it was Aizen And officiously? seriously what do you think this is a power rank? It's what you observe. Similar to how you made Aizen super fast because Ichigo wasn't paying attention. You can observe alot from that situation one of them being that he was unaware/scared. So why is Aizen in your situation "officiously" fast. And why do you take everything down to what is stated only in situations were it suits you. When in fact you know that the writer doesn't make much sense. Eg Gin's troll speaks and there you have Isshins spanking. Doesn't leave much does it. There have been similar moments where Ichigo was suppose to be really fast but couldn't keep up those are called plotholes or inconsistencies buddy. Last edited by Farscape; 2011-01-19 at 14:47. |
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I am sorry if you felt insulted but dude because I like to joke around..you were also insulting but I am not going to hold it against you. Now if you're going to get your panties in a bunch. I can just ignore you and you can do the same. Edit: Isshin is the father of Ichigo. You should expect him to do better than the others, he's the father of the hero. Also he seemed to have the same ability to conceal his reiatsu in similar manner as Ichigo after he came out of the Dagai Also a lot of people commented on Aizen's poor performance during that match but fail to realized Aizen was testing his new powers. He said he had no need to dodge and purposely took hits. Isshin did well but got owned along with everyone else. So I don't know why so many people "rage" It's not who's winning in the beginning, that determines the fight, it is the one who standing in the end that counts Aizen is the man!!! Last edited by Lord of Pandemonium; 2011-01-19 at 15:15. |
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Who knows? He could've been. It's not like speed alone defines strength. Aizen could very well be overall weaker than the old man but still be faster. Or the old man could've intentionally used an attack to lure Aizen into avoiding it and stabbing him. It's not like we could prove it one way or the other though. All we know for sure is that Yamamoto planned to take a hit. Quote:
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Where? There has been one point you made against Ichigo? where else? Quote:
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Isshin already said that Aizen was light years ahead of everyone there If Aizen used KS so what? How come Aizen is the only one fanboys get mad at when he uses his Zanpakuto like any other Shinigami? Were you upset when Yama let loose his flame. Believe it or not Intelligence is also a strength. A win is win and Aizen had been winning for the past 100 years Aizen owned everyone but Ichigo (as it should be) , that is something that cannot be denied |
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Hell, although I hate it, even Naruto develops characters better than Bleach does. Recurring, supposedly major characters should be able to stand up on their own, not be merely a plot tool for the main character to supposedly "develop". Quote:
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And as other people have said, it's from Angel Beats, but my avatar really doesn't give an accurate representation of it, I just like scaring small children @Power debate: Aizen himself admitted Yamamoto was stronger than him, but Yamamoto's an idiot, so it all works out.
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2011-01-19, 16:14 | Link #173 | |
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And I am not denying Aizen's power i am mearly pointing out that he wasn't godlike. Getting Spanked by Isshin like it was nothing. Pls reread the chapter. And i am not getting mad at Aizen. Actually i find it very sad because even without his Shikai, he'd probably own alot of people. But because of his Shikai, he is overrated. Because he has no normal battles like for example Byakuya those are equal grounds thats my point. His shikai takes away a fair fight and with this i am not saying that other people don't have crazy abilities and advantages but they don't control peoples mind. Because of Aizen's shikai his intelligence gets underrated imo. At least in Naruto with Mangekyou you have a chance, to not get trapped and possible get out of it.. with kyoga you have zero chance to avoid it at least from the point of the info we have now and the only way to get out of it is to get close to him, yea good luck with that if you are his enemy :s And aizen didn't own Urahara either because his arts won in the end which was planted with intellect. Now what? And Isshin didn't state that, that was Gin. |
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Also tad bit hypocritical when you made assumptions of what I was saying too don't you think? My point was that constantly reoccurring minor characters shouldn't be without substance otherwise it makes the story and characters seem flat. All characters can be developed around the same time without too much effort. Furthermore after 3 long posts I am officially bored with arguing, attention span be damned.
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Why do you insist on bringing that up? Ichigo's statements confirm only ONE illusion was used. It's the same illusion I've already constantly acknowledged. That fact barely holds any relevance. All it proves is that Aizen dispelled that one illusion to allow his opponents to see that the Captains got trolled. It doesn't prove he used illusions again to finish them off. |
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a few slides later you see her standing up shocking 2 VC's few seconds later Aizen slices them? ( I can't say that i really understood that piece but what else is there then another illusion? or am i missing something) And why would he use Illusion to finish them off? I said and i quote "And my point was if someone is not aware of the situation you can easily strike them without them noticing doh?" |
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Seeing as how we're apparently referring to two different situations, I guess this no longer applies. |
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Please don't use an ability from another manga to explain the characters in Bleach. Please don't compare one Mangaka's story telling, with the another. Because that is a matter of preference--the one you like the best, is the guy who you will say is the best writer. Plus they are two diffrent people. Each tells the story in their own way. . . If you want me to understand. Explain Aizen's ability, by explaining his ability. Seriously can we discuss Bleach without the comparisons- please Actually I was paraphrasing Isshin not quoting him verbatim. Gin also said it but now you have to people cosigning his ability then a crowd...a CROWD of people had to fight him and still got owned. I respect Aizen's intelligence, because I believe it's his greatest asset. Mindfuking Yama into owning himself was gold. Still no one owned Aizen, instead they all got pwned. Aizen has said himself and Gin agreed. KS doesn't work on everyone..Aizen has other abilities Also you have a chance not to get trapped. It's just like that ability you brought up. If you can't get close to him. That's on you, not him. You can't have it both ways, either his shikai is overrated or it's so hax it's an unfair advantage. It can't be both. No Urahara didn't do it. Ichigo did. It wouldn't have worked if Ichigo had not weakened him. Urahara states this himself. So like Aizen > than the entire Gotei 13, plus Vaizards, Urahara, Yourichi and Isshin It's been confirmed. Ichigo had to use a move that almost cut him in half and still didn't kill him. Merely weakened him a bit Also it's like Aizen's said to SoiFon and it's been said many time. Shinigami fight with reiatsu. The ability is null, if the reiatsu level is higher. Only Aizen and Ichigo have been said to have twice the reiatsu of Captain. That means...Yama is beneath Aizen's level. That is why it took the combined efforts of everyone who lost and then Ichigo to beat him I just thought of something. Yama's flame, was put out by superchunky who got pwned by Mashiro. Does that mean she's stronger than Yama Aizen has more than just KS. KT demonstrated it in that arc. This cannot be denied but you get a gold star for trying. Jking... Quote:
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If I'm not allowed to use other Manga authors as a reference, what can I use precisely? Western literature? Because I can make a case with that too, see "A Song of Ice and Fire", and the "Wheel of Time" for details - or "To Aru Majutsu no Index" and "Utsuro no Hako to Zero no Maria" for Japanese novels. Hell, even 'classics' such as "Catcher in the Rye" that typically focus on mostly one character and their development develop others - Phoebe Caulfield leaps to mind.
Where has it been stated that Yamamoto has less reiatsu than Aizen and/or Ichigo? Considering Yamamoto can take two of the stronger captains in SS at once without breaking sweat, surely that means he's more than twice as powerful as a regular captain? Quite frankly though, the power levels do what Kubo tells them, they are not consistent. See Zaraki's fights for details. EDIT: I misinterpreted what you wrote, nevermind the top half - rant wasted
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Zaraki is the weakest Captain next to Mayuri. Noi was just as weak.
Yammy doesn't count. Zero just means loser.... It's like this--Kubo is an individual and should be treated as such and I don't agree. You don't like his story telling and I live for it. I won't agree, don't beat a dead horse. There can be no winner...or you give me an example. You know, not everyone finds fault with Ichigo's character. You may hate him but trust me, there are some who really love him. It's not really worth the argument. For every fault you can find with him or Kubo's writing. Some fan will disagree. Now facts like Aizen owning everyone, or anything like that and abilities. Is worth the argument. This manga is crap, this is better is a matter of preference. |
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