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DidCart · 2013-07-08, 14:36

Oh my... it's been some time since I posted here on AnimeSuki, but Genshiken coming back with an anime brought me back!

The thing is, besides the recasting, this anime was amazing. The script was sharp and effective. They covered two full chapters of the manga and did it very well. No unnecessary scenes, similar camera angles, everything according to what it should be.

About the recasting though, it was really strange to listen to the new Ogiue and Madame voices. Ohno and Sue also but the first two were the worst for me. Kuchiki was also very different, but entertaining in it's own way.

The new cast, on the other hand, was excellent... well, at least Yoshitake and Yajima. Hato was okay until it changed to his male voice... to abrupt, to different, way to much unnatural.

Overall a great first episode. I really hope with future OVAs coming with the BD releases they will show what happened in the gap between season 2 an this one. Some people may get really confused in future episodes. I also hope they'll announce a new season. 12 episodes are not gonna be enough.

HandofFate · 2013-07-08, 15:38

Did the series previously have such a strong fujoshi undertone?
Only read the manga, but it seemed to go full fujoshi on the manga relaunch which is where this series seems to be starting.

Not a big fan of the fujoshi stuff, but I really enjoy Sasahara, Oguie, Saki and Madarame's character, so sticking around just to see them.

Lord of Fire · 2013-07-08, 15:47

I really need to rewatch Genshiken, I can't remember a damn thing about their voices, though I do remember Ogiue sounding different than I remember.

Aside from that, a solid first episode.

articuzwolf · 2013-07-08, 15:55

Best thing about this episode of course Sue's lines and Sue cosplaying as Shinobu

Damn that was the best

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Originally Posted by Utsuro no Hako

They skipped about two and a half volumes from the original manga, most of which focused on Ogie. The first episode summarized the main points -- Ogie and Sasahara started dating and he used his editorial skills to help her polish a one-shot to the point that a professional publisher bought it -- but there are a few other points that will hopefully be covered in flashback.

ah I see, they should at least make OVAs for it

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Originally Posted by Lord of Fire

I really need to rewatch Genshiken, I can't remember a damn thing about their voices.

that should be a good thing actually

though Madarame voice didn't really bother me, just when I thought that impression of his voice will be the hardest to replace

Utsuro no Hako · 2013-07-08, 15:59

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

Did the series previously have such a strong fujoshi undertone?
Only read the manga, but it seemed to go full fujoshi on the manga relaunch which is where this series seems to be starting.

The original cast was all guys except for Saki, so it wasn't a big factor in the first season, but the fujoshi element has increased every time a new woman joined the cast.

Surely you remember the scene where Saki sees Ogie sketching some Sasahara x Madarame art and assumes she has a crush on both of them?

Dop · 2013-07-08, 16:36

One of the things I appreciate about the series is how the whole dynamic has changed. At the start of the original manga the Genshiken was pretty much a boys club, but that changed and now it's almost much all girls.
(Hato is a honorary fujoshi...)
I think Ogiue realises the pendulum has swung too far and would prefer a balance, so I wonder if that will come to pass as the series continues. Should get the second volume of the manga soon.

thundrakkon · 2013-07-09, 06:01

An enjoyable start to the new series. However, when the old members came to the party, I felt a different dynamic compared to the current members. It felt more "comfortable".

As far as recasting went, I did not notice that there was a new cast at all, since it has been so long since I saw the last season. The only thing that felt different was Kuchiki, with Jun voicing him. I could not remember him voicing in the original series, so I checked it up. There, I finally found out that they recast everyone. Hence, in conclusion, the recasting of the voices sound fine, although Jun does stand out a lot.

DragoonKain3 · 2013-07-09, 12:19

I miss most Madarame's scratchy voice, though the new VA does indeed fit. Only one that doesn't fit with what I remember of the original series is Ohno, but then again Kawasumi is pretty much legendary at this point. I mean, I have utmost respect for Yukana (<3 Habara), but my head keeps saying "That Ohno is so wrong!" every time she speaks. XD

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

Did the series previously have such a strong fujoshi undertone?

Lol you just missed the best episode ever. Episode 5 I think of the secound 'season'? Was LMAO all the way through. XD

DidCart · 2013-07-09, 14:44

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

Did the series previously have such a strong fujoshi undertone?

Not that much. The thing is that, time has passed since the first series to this second one. And the otaku world has changed.

In the past, women otaku were the minority in most of the clubs. That's why the presence of three girls in the Genshiken was so much of a big deal.

Nowadays, women otaku are very common and the number of fujoshis among them is rising considerably.

To continue the series with the same "spirit" as the original one would be being unreal. Genshiken always tried to picture it's own time. The original series was all-about otaku in the late 90s and beginning of the 2000s. The Nidaime series, on the other hand, is all about the otaku in this new decade after 2009-2010.

That's why it's impossible to specify which year are the characters on. If we used logic, there would be no logic.

So yeah, it's a different undertone, but even though I also don't like fujoshi stuff, I find it very interesting to know more about this side of the otaku universe.

cyth · 2013-07-09, 15:45

If you care to look at the official pamphlet on the history of Comic Market, you'll see that women participation was in 40 percentile already back in 80's. So I find your assessment of female otaku being a rarity only 10 years back somewhat faulty.

EDIT: Just checked it again. Actually, it's the other way around. In 2004, circles attending Comic Market consisted 71% women, 29% men. This has been changing in favor of men, they were up to 40% in 2009. To have women participate in such circles shouldn't surprise anyone. Link.

Solafighter · 2013-07-09, 16:24

To be frank, I don't like this series that much, though will watch it because of Madarame.

Malkuth · 2013-07-09, 16:47

What cyth wrote, I remember from my sister that comiket was always choke full with fujoshi... I think that the misconception is based on what was promoted outside Japan, as well as that domestically it's less of a social stigma to buy hentai as male, rather then female. Also both in Japan and even more so in America, female homosexuals are more acceptable by society than male ones.

In any case, before Ogie's second presidency, Kanako was pulling out yaoi material occasionally, and that was about it... probably the writer wanted to talk about the majority of fanbase eventually... not to mention that I find it more hilarious than the old one.

serenade_beta · 2013-07-09, 22:34

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Originally Posted by HandofFate

Did the series previously have such a strong fujoshi undertone?
Only read the manga, but it seemed to go full fujoshi on the manga relaunch which is where this series seems to be starting.

Not a big fan of the fujoshi stuff, but I really enjoy Sasahara, Oguie, Saki and Madarame's character, so sticking around just to see them.

Which is unfortunate. It really was nice when the characters were mainly male, but the author decided to move towards fujoshi and that type of stuff, so it kind of isn't the same series now.
Oh, and I guess the voice cast kind of matches that feel.

jeroz · 2013-07-11, 05:26

I do love the focus on doujin production though. good times

GDiddy · 2013-07-11, 08:22

I've read both the original and Nidaime so I knew who everyone was, but now I gotta pick up the original anime to see what the fuss was about with the voices.

I like the big girl and her friend so far. Don't see big girls in anime too often.

Utsuro no Hako · 2013-07-11, 08:34

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Originally Posted by GDiddy

I've read both the original and Nidaime so I knew who everyone was, but now I gotta pick up the original anime to see what the fuss was about with the voices.

I like the big girl and her friend so far. Don't see big girls in anime too often.

And there are two of them -- the president of the manga club, seen briefly in the pre-credits is the same size. For that matter, Ohno's not exactly skinny herself, though that's more because she has a large frame.

Kaoru Chujo · 2013-07-13, 15:03

Ep2 was excellent. I enjoyed every second of it. Beautiful flow and fine characters. As well as excellent voices. Of course, the two voices that most struck me are new ones: Uchiyama Yumi as Yajima (the big girl) and Uesaka Sumire as Rika (glasses). And Kakuma Ai as Hato. But I thought the rest worked fine, too. Yukana's voice always does it for me....

With Kin-iro Mosaic, there's a lot of comparatively well-pronounced English around this season. Sumipe's little bit in class was as good as it gets in anime. So she can not only speak Russian, but her English is good too?

Utsuro no Hako · 2013-07-13, 21:46

The newbies having a night out together was a lot of fun, as was their helping Ogie, but Ohno stole the show with her two scenes -- first freaking out the Kuchiki already has a job lined up, then showing up with cosplay at the end. (You have to feel sorry for Kugayama getting called out in the middle of the night just because he has a car. At least Tanaka gets something out of being Ohno's slave.)

And if it's not obvious, the girls were supposed to be drunk during the sleep-over scene, but this being Japan broadcasters can show underage girls naked but not drunk.

creb · 2013-07-14, 00:32

I guess I'll be the sourpuss who thinks Genshiken has tilted a little bit too far from what I enjoyed about it originally.

I mean, this generation is all women ('cept what's his face who'll probably have about 15 lines all season, again). This feels like the type of pandering something like K-ON does.

Oh well, there are still some laughs to be had.

stassy · 2013-07-14, 01:36

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Originally Posted by Utsuro no Hako

And if it's not obvious, the girls were supposed to be drunk during the sleep-over scene, but this being Japan broadcasters can show underage girls naked but not drunk.

That is too bad the previous scene was partially "censored" because this is a clue to one of the character's age as they couldn't have bought alcohol in the supermarket due to that restriction.

2013-07-08, 15:47	Link #83
Lord of Fire The Voice of Reason Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: The Netherlands Age: 47	I really need to rewatch Genshiken, I can't remember a damn thing about their voices, though I do remember Ogiue sounding different than I remember. Aside from that, a solid first episode. __________________

2013-07-09, 06:01	Link #87
thundrakkon Anime-Only Viewer Graphic Designer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: USA	An enjoyable start to the new series. However, when the old members came to the party, I felt a different dynamic compared to the current members. It felt more "comfortable". As far as recasting went, I did not notice that there was a new cast at all, since it has been so long since I saw the last season. The only thing that felt different was Kuchiki, with Jun voicing him. I could not remember him voicing in the original series, so I checked it up. There, I finally found out that they recast everyone. Hence, in conclusion, the recasting of the voices sound fine, although Jun does stand out a lot. __________________

2013-07-09, 16:24	Link #91
Solafighter Hige Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: God only knows	To be frank, I don't like this series that much, though will watch it because of Madarame. __________________

2013-07-11, 05:26	Link #94
jeroz Art Block Specialist Join Date: Jun 2007	I do love the focus on doujin production though. good times __________________ [TAC]

2013-07-11, 08:22	Link #95
GDiddy Sisterhood of the Desu Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: in a van by the river	I've read both the original and Nidaime so I knew who everyone was, but now I gotta pick up the original anime to see what the fuss was about with the voices. I like the big girl and her friend so far. Don't see big girls in anime too often. __________________

2013-07-08, 14:36	Link #81
DidCart Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Rio de Janeiro, Brazil	Oh my... it's been some time since I posted here on AnimeSuki, but Genshiken coming back with an anime brought me back! The thing is, besides the recasting, this anime was amazing. The script was sharp and effective. They covered two full chapters of the manga and did it very well. No unnecessary scenes, similar camera angles, everything according to what it should be. About the recasting though, it was really strange to listen to the new Ogiue and Madame voices. Ohno and Sue also but the first two were the worst for me. Kuchiki was also very different, but entertaining in it's own way. The new cast, on the other hand, was excellent... well, at least Yoshitake and Yajima. Hato was okay until it changed to his male voice... to abrupt, to different, way to much unnatural. Overall a great first episode. I really hope with future OVAs coming with the BD releases they will show what happened in the gap between season 2 an this one. Some people may get really confused in future episodes. I also hope they'll announce a new season. 12 episodes are not gonna be enough.

2013-07-08, 15:38	Link #82
HandofFate Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006	Did the series previously have such a strong fujoshi undertone? Only read the manga, but it seemed to go full fujoshi on the manga relaunch which is where this series seems to be starting. Not a big fan of the fujoshi stuff, but I really enjoy Sasahara, Oguie, Saki and Madarame's character, so sticking around just to see them.

2013-07-08, 16:36	Link #86
Dop Mmmm.... Join Date: Sep 2006	One of the things I appreciate about the series is how the whole dynamic has changed. At the start of the original manga the Genshiken was pretty much a boys club, but that changed and now it's almost much all girls. (Hato is a honorary fujoshi...) I think Ogiue realises the pendulum has swung too far and would prefer a balance, so I wonder if that will come to pass as the series continues. Should get the second volume of the manga soon.

2013-07-09, 15:45	Link #90
cyth Banned Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 38	If you care to look at the official pamphlet on the history of Comic Market, you'll see that women participation was in 40 percentile already back in 80's. So I find your assessment of female otaku being a rarity only 10 years back somewhat faulty. EDIT: Just checked it again. Actually, it's the other way around. In 2004, circles attending Comic Market consisted 71% women, 29% men. This has been changing in favor of men, they were up to 40% in 2009. To have women participate in such circles shouldn't surprise anyone. Link.

2013-07-09, 16:47	Link #92
Malkuth Banned Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: London Age: 43	What cyth wrote, I remember from my sister that comiket was always choke full with fujoshi... I think that the misconception is based on what was promoted outside Japan, as well as that domestically it's less of a social stigma to buy hentai as male, rather then female. Also both in Japan and even more so in America, female homosexuals are more acceptable by society than male ones. In any case, before Ogie's second presidency, Kanako was pulling out yaoi material occasionally, and that was about it... probably the writer wanted to talk about the majority of fanbase eventually... not to mention that I find it more hilarious than the old one.

2013-07-13, 15:03	Link #97
Kaoru Chujo Yuuki Aoi Join Date: Jul 2004	Ep2 was excellent. I enjoyed every second of it. Beautiful flow and fine characters. As well as excellent voices. Of course, the two voices that most struck me are new ones: Uchiyama Yumi as Yajima (the big girl) and Uesaka Sumire as Rika (glasses). And Kakuma Ai as Hato. But I thought the rest worked fine, too. Yukana's voice always does it for me.... With Kin-iro Mosaic, there's a lot of comparatively well-pronounced English around this season. Sumipe's little bit in class was as good as it gets in anime. So she can not only speak Russian, but her English is good too? __________________ YUUKI Aoi 悠木碧. b92.03.27 (age 29). 2008 Kurenai (Murasaki). 2009 Yumeiro Pâtissière (Ichigo), Kiruminzuu (Riko), Yutori-chan (Yutori-chan). 2010 Vampire Bund (Mina Tepeş), Shiki (Sunako), Samurai Girls (Juubee), Pokémon: Black and White (Iris). 2011 Madoka Magica (Madoka), Gosick (Victorique), A-Channel (Tooru). 2012 Symphogear (Hibiki). 2014 Pilot's Love Song (Claire/Nina), Nanatsu no Taizai (Diane). 2015 Owari no Seraph (Krul Tepes), Rokka no Yuusha (Fremy). 2016 Boku no Hero Academia (Tsuyu, Froppy). 2017 Kino no Tabi (Kino). 2021 Kumo desu ga (watashi), Kaizoku Oujo (Karin), Heike Monogatari (Biwa), etc., etc. Total of 513 roles in anime and games.

2013-07-13, 21:46	Link #98
Utsuro no Hako Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2011	The newbies having a night out together was a lot of fun, as was their helping Ogie, but Ohno stole the show with her two scenes -- first freaking out the Kuchiki already has a job lined up, then showing up with cosplay at the end. (You have to feel sorry for Kugayama getting called out in the middle of the night just because he has a car. At least Tanaka gets something out of being Ohno's slave.) And if it's not obvious, the girls were supposed to be drunk during the sleep-over scene, but this being Japan broadcasters can show underage girls naked but not drunk.

2013-07-14, 00:32	Link #99
creb Hiding Under Your Bed Join Date: May 2008	I guess I'll be the sourpuss who thinks Genshiken has tilted a little bit too far from what I enjoyed about it originally. I mean, this generation is all women ('cept what's his face who'll probably have about 15 lines all season, again). This feels like the type of pandering something like K-ON does. Oh well, there are still some laughs to be had. __________________ http://myanimelist.net/animelist/creb http://myanimelist.net/mangalist/creb It feels like years since they've been updated, btw. Also, cake.