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Justin_Brett · 2012-07-24, 16:42

Hari's fight with Els. They draw attention to the kanji on her clothes being foreign, and it kinda bothered me.

Keroko · 2012-07-24, 16:49

Ahh, yes, that. I guess that means Hari's lineage goes back to earth as well.

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-24, 16:54

Oh, that's simpler than what I was thinking of.

Rising Dragon · 2012-07-24, 17:02

It's hardly the first time. The Nakajima family has Earth heritage as well, so it's not out of place.

Justin_Brett · 2012-07-24, 17:13

You wouldn't think immigrating like that would be even this common, really.

Keroko · 2012-07-24, 17:16

Ehh, counting Graham and assuming one person in Hari's lineage there's just five people so far. Out of a population of billions, that's nothing.

Rising Dragon · 2012-07-24, 17:19

And all we know of Subaru's family is that it has Earth heritage. We don't know how far back it went.

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-24, 19:52

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Originally Posted by Keroko

You mean the resilience that ended up with her being knocked out after just one hit? Or the powerful punch that did not stop nove from attaching a sensor to her?

I'm talking about the resilence thatg allowed her to take the full brunt of Nove's power and still win the fight ...and the powerfull punch that K.O.ed a Cyborg Subaru had a hard time with and was in the need of going "Super Cyborg" mode to win.

If Einhart isn't AAA then she's pretty damn close xD

Keroko · 2012-07-25, 07:10

The Nove fight is one gaping plothole that can only be explained with "Nove lost on purpose." Just see how several chapters later Einhart went from "can fight on equal ground with someone on the forward's level" (Nove and Subaru are of similar level now) to "Would have a hard time in the elite division of the tournament."

That's a rather huge powerdown, and there's only one explanation that makes sense.

Akiyoshi · 2012-07-25, 10:46

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Originally Posted by Keroko

The Nove fight is one gaping plothole that can only be explained with "Nove lost on purpose." Just see how several chapters later Einhart went from "can fight on equal ground with someone on the forward's level" (Nove and Subaru are of similar level now) to "Would have a hard time in the elite division of the tournament."

That's a rather huge powerdown, and there's only one explanation that makes sense.

Yeah, Nove totally planned to get her butt kicked entirely on purpouse xD

As things platyed out it seemed more like a plan Nove tought on the moment, which was a very smart move from her part indeed. When she realized Einhart is much tougher than she expected she decided to put a tracking device on her just in case she ended up getting her ass handed to her, which is exactly what happened xD

But yeah, the powerdown you mentioned makes little sense unless:

A) Nove is not as a good fighter as the plot claims or...

B) Fighters on the elite branch of the tournament are indeed just that powerfull. They're alites for a reason xD

The B option makes some sense specially considering Miura, Einhart and Rio impressed audiences, judges and veterans all the same for their unusual level of talent and power. As someone pointed out, just because Victoria, Micaiah and the others seem to be as powerfull as the combat cyborgs doesn't mean everyone in the tournament is just as strong. We saw plenty of Red Shirt contestants on the early stages of the tournament and even between the Elites are glaringly notorious power gaps like the one between Els Tamin and the veterans Harii and Victoria.

Craxuan · 2012-07-25, 13:51

Well to be honest there are a lot of gaping plot holes in the Nanoha stories which kinda distorted exactly how much difference there are between power VS skill, such as how Nanoha and Fate would've surely, most definitely beat the hell outta most of the competitors we're seeing right now, at the age of 9. When Nanoha was still a greenhorn. Because their sheer firepower would blow the heck out of anyone.

Goddamn Starlight Breaker after a few months practicing with magic.

I would interpret the Nove VS Einhart situation as: 1) Nove no longer fights to kill or severely incapacitate her opponents as before, 2) Nove was hinted to be struggling internally about how she should grow in the future thus becoming unsure of her fighting style, 3) Nove plans to capture Einhart with the minimal possible injuries and so held back a LOT, 4) Nove wanted to test out Einhart's intentions - since she is hunting to fight masters of magic all over the place - to see if they're malicious or not.

She didn't seem like the type who would lose on purpose to me.

Skane · 2012-07-25, 18:58

Consider the following scenario.

1) Kill a bear.

2) Wrestle a bear into submission without causing lasting physical harm to it, AND tag a tracking beacon on it without it noticing it.

Cheers.

Kaijo · 2012-07-25, 22:19

So... why didn't Nove wrestle the beat into submission and arrest it? Would seem to be a bit more straightforward than simply appearing to lose and attaching a tracking beacon instead.

Note: the only thing I can think of, is that Nove wanted to see who else might be behind this, and tracking the person might lead them to other stuff. But it was never stated as such, and they didn't wait too long before tracking the person down, anyway.

Rising Dragon · 2012-07-25, 22:24

To me it just looked like Einhart managed to catch Nove off-guard for a crucial moment and took her down with a single powerful attack, and Nove had planted the tracking device just in case things went south for her.

FRS · 2012-07-26, 03:10

Or the author wrote it on the fly without much consideration of prior background.

Keroko · 2012-07-26, 04:32

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Originally Posted by Craxuan

Goddamn Starlight Breaker after a few months practicing with magic.

Given starlight breaker's radius and tendency to break barriers, I actually think that spell would be banned by virtue of busting the safeties of the ring and taking out the entire stadium.

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Originally Posted by FRS

Or the author wrote it on the fly without much consideration of prior background.

Tsuzuki? Not paying attention to previous background? Preposterous!

Auxilism · 2012-07-26, 06:04

In my honest opinion,

Nove lost her cool during that fight, a costly mistake. She also assumed that Einhart would defend instead of countering, leaving her open.

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Nove's swearing (if typing the raw version is not allowed please let me know and I will change it)

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There's something wrong with her to throw away her defence and plan this bind..

She planted the tracker in case Einhart got away so that others could find or subdue her. It would be crucial to her since she thought that Einhart wanted to severely harm or kill Vivio and Ix.

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Originally Posted by Nove

You want to blast the Sankt Kaiser and Queen of the Netherworld, right?

In chronological order, taken from
chapter 4, pages 14, 15 and 18
chapter 5, page 12.

bhl88 · 2012-07-28, 16:09

Vivio Rio and Corona cried (in one page).

00-Raiser · 2012-07-29, 02:39

Spoiler for Vivid 39:

Craxuan · 2012-07-29, 02:54

Well, it is kind of obvious that they'll cry... this is their first loss in an official tournament after all.

... A little too obvious with an obvious foreshadowing. >_>

2012-07-24, 17:02	Link #2164
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	It's hardly the first time. The Nakajima family has Earth heritage as well, so it's not out of place. __________________

2012-07-24, 17:19	Link #2167
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	And all we know of Subaru's family is that it has Earth heritage. We don't know how far back it went. __________________

2012-07-25, 13:51	Link #2171
Craxuan Crax Author Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: MY	Well to be honest there are a lot of gaping plot holes in the Nanoha stories which kinda distorted exactly how much difference there are between power VS skill, such as how Nanoha and Fate would've surely, most definitely beat the hell outta most of the competitors we're seeing right now, at the age of 9. When Nanoha was still a greenhorn. Because their sheer firepower would blow the heck out of anyone. Goddamn Starlight Breaker after a few months practicing with magic. I would interpret the Nove VS Einhart situation as: 1) Nove no longer fights to kill or severely incapacitate her opponents as before, 2) Nove was hinted to be struggling internally about how she should grow in the future thus becoming unsure of her fighting style, 3) Nove plans to capture Einhart with the minimal possible injuries and so held back a LOT, 4) Nove wanted to test out Einhart's intentions - since she is hunting to fight masters of magic all over the place - to see if they're malicious or not. She didn't seem like the type who would lose on purpose to me. __________________

2012-07-25, 18:58	Link #2172
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2012-07-25, 22:24	Link #2174
Rising Dragon Goat Herder Author Join Date: Jun 2008 Age: 36	To me it just looked like Einhart managed to catch Nove off-guard for a crucial moment and took her down with a single powerful attack, and Nove had planted the tracking device just in case things went south for her. __________________

2012-07-24, 16:42	Link #2161
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Hari's fight with Els. They draw attention to the kanji on her clothes being foreign, and it kinda bothered me.

2012-07-24, 16:49	Link #2162
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Ahh, yes, that. I guess that means Hari's lineage goes back to earth as well.

2012-07-24, 16:54	Link #2163
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	Oh, that's simpler than what I was thinking of.

2012-07-24, 17:13	Link #2165
Justin_Brett Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Canada, Sault Ste. Marie	You wouldn't think immigrating like that would be even this common, really.

2012-07-24, 17:16	Link #2166
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	Ehh, counting Graham and assuming one person in Hari's lineage there's just five people so far. Out of a population of billions, that's nothing.

2012-07-25, 07:10	Link #2169
Keroko Adeptus Animus Author Join Date: Jan 2007 Age: 36	The Nove fight is one gaping plothole that can only be explained with "Nove lost on purpose." Just see how several chapters later Einhart went from "can fight on equal ground with someone on the forward's level" (Nove and Subaru are of similar level now) to "Would have a hard time in the elite division of the tournament." That's a rather huge powerdown, and there's only one explanation that makes sense.

2012-07-25, 22:19	Link #2173
Kaijo Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Somewhere over the rainbow, in a house dropped on an ugly, old woman.	So... why didn't Nove wrestle the beat into submission and arrest it? Would seem to be a bit more straightforward than simply appearing to lose and attaching a tracking beacon instead. Note: the only thing I can think of, is that Nove wanted to see who else might be behind this, and tracking the person might lead them to other stuff. But it was never stated as such, and they didn't wait too long before tracking the person down, anyway.

2012-07-26, 03:10	Link #2175
FRS Lurker on the threshold Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: France Age: 46	Or the author wrote it on the fly without much consideration of prior background.

2012-07-28, 16:09	Link #2178
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2012-07-29, 02:39	Link #2179
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2012-07-29, 02:54	Link #2180
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