Mobile Suit Gundam 00 Second Season - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

[RDF2050]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Setsuna is AT BEST the third best pilot in this series, and the other Gundam pilots are comparable to A-Laws pilots. Just imagine what Ali could do with Gundam Raiser.

Don't even said that he will kill everyone not one will defeat him in anyway.

[T.V.]

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

Just imagine what Ali could do with Gundam Raiser.

He'll paint it deep red and rename it Gundam 00 HellRaiser.

[KanaKaishou]

Setsuna is AT BEST the third best pilot in this series, and the other Gundam pilots are comparable to A-Laws pilots. Just imagine what Ali could do with Gundam Raiser.

Or better yet. Two 0-Raiser level suits, fighting each other, with Ali and Graham as the pilots. Though even if they were in grunt suits, it would still be epic.

[kk2extreme]

comon marina do something more, besides taking care of orphans

I hope that they dont do something like setsuna is lost and picked up by marina

and people would yell lacus clone

[RDF2050]

Originally Posted by T.V.

He'll paint it deep red and rename it Gundam 00 HellRaiser.

will be Blue vs. Red ?

Who will win ?

[Terrestrial Dream]

Originally Posted by Blaat

I'm sorry to say but the battle of Solomon was already lost when the Big Zam showed up. The Solar Ray (NOT Amuro Ray) and Doyzle's pride (again NOT Amuro Ray) were the descive factors for the Feds victory.

Furthermore Doyzle used the Big Zam to make a last stand and take out as many of Federation forces. It would have certainly be successful if it weren't for Amuro Ray and Sleggar Law's kamikaze attack.

In fact the only time where Amuro Ray was dominating the battle is at Side 6 but he didn't single handedly destroyed all Rick Doms and that was definitely the moment where we find out that Amuro and the White Base crew weren't a bunch 'newbies' any more but veterans and getting in tune with their newtype abilities.

I agree that Amuro was not the decisive factor but he still played huge role by playing helping fed take Solomon. It seems that even you agree that he played a role in helping taking Solomon by defeating Big Zam.

Originally Posted by Charred Knight

While Amuro overpowers some mechas early on, its made clear that Amuro is the reason why his kill count is so high, not the Gundam, in fact the Gelgoog is the equal to the Gundam meaning that Amuro is surviving solely by his own talents. Do you think that by the end of the series A-Laws will be using Mass produced mecha comparable to the Gundam Raiser?

If you check out Amuro's kill count his only the second highest among the Federation, and several Zeon aces have comparable kill counts. The Gundam's kill count wasn't due to Gundam, it was due to Amuro.

Setsuna is AT BEST the third best pilot in this series, and the other Gundam pilots are comparable to A-Laws pilots. Just imagine what Ali could do with Gundam Raiser.



As mentioned above, several pilots had unrealistically high kill counts during the One Year War, not just Amuro, sure Amuro is winning battles but his not dominating, as Ryu Jose, and Sleggar Law could attest. The main reason why the Federation won was simply a much larger population, they had a ton more suits than Zeon had and won through sheer number.

I should have said "there are moment in Gundam where the Gundam overpower other ms base on its superiority over other ms or the ability of the pilot". And I really see no point bring out Amuro's ability as I already stated that it was due to Amuro's ability that he defeated so many ms. And I don't get why you mentioned the part that I bolded. As I don't expect any kind of mass production of super ms by the A-Laws or Setsuna to become a god like pilot.
Finally Rising said "some" not a complete domination (though I can't agree with the domination as I would rather say overpowering).

[Revolutionist]

The Gundam was not intended to be an all powerful machine capable of dominating the battlefield and changing the course of war by itself. It's not a Super Robot series, and just because writers made some stupid series where the Gundams are basically Super Robots, doesn't mean that Gundam is a Super Robot show.

[SeedFreedom]

Originally Posted by Terrestrial Dream

I agree that Amuro was not the decisive factor but he still played huge role by playing helping fed take Solomon. It seems that even you agree that he played a role in helping taking Solomon by defeating Big Zam.

I should have said "there are moment in Gundam where the Gundam overpower other ms base on its superiority over other ms or the ability of the pilot". And I really see no point bring out Amuro's ability as I already stated that it was due to Amuro's ability that he defeated so many ms. And I don't get why you mentioned the part that I bolded. As I don't expect any kind of mass production of super ms by the A-Laws or Setsuna to become a god like pilot.
Finally Rising said "some" not a complete domination (though I can't agree with the domination as I would rather say overpowering).

Weather it was the gundam or the pilot, we still had obvious domination by the gundam team. That is severely missing in this series until about the last 3 or 4 eps where no more than one suit was shot down per episode.

[Knolly]

Originally Posted by dsOnTheRun

Spoiler for GN archer:

btw, i saw from somewhere that Marie Parfacy will be pilotting GN archer instead of Nena Trinity . . .

Unless you can point me to a source that says otherwise, I don't believe we've received any official word on the pilot for the GN Archer, although it is heavily being speculated that it's Marie.

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by SeedFreedom

Weather it was the gundam or the pilot, we still had obvious domination by the gundam team. That is severely missing in this series until about the last 3 or 4 eps where no more than one suit was shot down per episode.

The Gundams kicked anyone's asses who where not named Ali or Graham in the first 12 episodes. Most battles went: Celestial Being shows up, Celestial Being destroys both sides without getting a scratch.

Honest to god Sunrise gave you what you wanted in Gundam Seed Destiny, and you bitched and complained throughout.

Gundam Domination is poor writing, it shows that you can't write a proper fight scene so you just write pretty explosions and have the occasional soldier say "It's a gundam", or "It destroyed 25 mobile suits in 2 minutes?".

Here's the question where the hell does the staff go from here, if Giant Lasers are no match for the Gundams than what is? They just can't have Graham, and Ali try to take on the entire Celestial Being by themselves, and the Innovators are worthless.

[Varis]

Why do so many people think that Nena will be in the GN Archer?
I would favor the pair Nena + Setsuna for the 00 raiser while the GN archer will be
Maria Magdalena + Al Bundy... that makes more sense to me.

Saji (or was it Shinji?) is probably too emo to fight in it anyways and the irony that Nena might have a chance to blow up Saji's girlfriend... again... is staggering =)

I don't see Al as underused as well. Sumeragi is a brilliant tactician and if she would have stuck Sevaree on "duracell" duty the boards would have exploded with criticism to her strategy. Arios has his strategic use and will be used and depended on when the time comes.

[Freya]

Originally Posted by Knolly

Unless you can point me to a source that says otherwise, I don't believe we've received any official word on the pilot for the GN Archer, although it is heavily being speculated that it's Marie.

She has like 10000x more chance at piloting it than Nena. The Nena theory makes no sense.

Plus why does anyone even need to pilot it? It'll be on Arios.



Is Ali so hax that he can own Sestuna if he piloted a Zaku?

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Freya

Plus why does anyone even need to pilot it?

For when it has to separate and be used in its mobile suit form.

[Freya]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

For when it has to separate and be used in its mobile suit form.

Why can't it transform with it?

[LoweGear]

I was talking about the GN Archer transforming into mobile suit form btw... but as for a Arios Archer MS form, none has been shown. It's either they're not showing us yet, or, judging from the design of both machines, they just can't transform while docked.

[Freya]

Originally Posted by LoweGear

I was talking about the GN Archer transforming into mobile suit form btw... but as for a Arios Archer MS form, none has been shown. It's either they're not showing us yet, or, judging from the design of both machines, they just can't transform while docked.

Oh.....GN archer transforming......it can do that?

[LoweGear]

Originally Posted by Freya

Oh.....GN archer transforming......it can do that?

Yes it can.

Spoiler for GN Archer MS form:

Here's the MS form shown without the backpack.

Another image showing the complete form of the MS mode:

Spoiler for More HG GN Archer:

[Charred Knight]

Originally Posted by Freya

She has like 10000x more chance at piloting it than Nena. The Nena theory makes no sense.

Plus why does anyone even need to pilot it? It'll be on Arios.



Is Ali so hax that he can own Sestuna if he piloted a Zaku?

He did pretty well with an Enact so I don't see why not.

[mechalord]

Gundams were supposed to be super robots in the 00 Universe.

Remember the first episode? Regular mobile suits are crap. They might as well run of diesel fuel and get power from lawnmower engines. The GN drive made Gundams one robot armies.

This is one of the reasons why the first Ptolemaios sucked soooo much. Mobile suits sucked. They didn't expect anything to put up much of a fight. The fake GN drives screwed everything up for them.

[nutype]

Originally Posted by The Small One

Then they should give Marie the Gundam (she is the better pilot) and let Al pilot the archer.

sadly this is true.

but the archer doesnt seem impressive at all. It'll probably save the day in one episode then become cannon fodder in the next.