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2010-05-31, 14:48 | Link #84 | |
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2010-05-31, 21:49 | Link #85 |
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Saw the video, and if my 10yr old daughter came home and said that her and some of her girlfriends were going to do something similar, I'd be rational enough to look into it and get involved. But if said group told me they would be wearin similar outfits my response would be "Not on your f**king life!"
Yeah, I'm old fashioned in so far as raisein MY kids and would rather they not learn "Sex 101" from their friends or TV. But kids nowadays are bombarded with sexual innuendos on all fronts and there ain't much I can do about it, but stay informed and talk with them about it! The danceing was good, the costumes were a frightening mistake! That's my opinion!
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Also, I know for me personally a girl needs to pin her skirt awfully high for me to think she's trying to attract that kind of attention. Quote:
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2010-06-01, 04:53 | Link #87 |
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Wholesomeness is so uncool these days, isn't it? Hayao Miyazaki's original proposal for Whisper of the Heart expressed a strong desire to show the audience "how wonderful the quality of wholesomeness is", how right he was. I can take the overreaction/puritanism accusations all day, because that quality is something worth preserving, even if it's a losing battle. I suppose I'm "old fashioned" too, as much as a 20 year old can be old-fashioned.
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2010-06-01, 05:25 | Link #88 |
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It's actually rather ironic when you consider both the groups who attack animated depictions of child-like characters and those that protect it as freedoms, as compared to those who are aghast at these videos and those who think these are morally acceptable.
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2010-06-01, 05:35 | Link #89 |
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There was an issue today in my country's news, where some dudes where using chat rooms to fish 15yo girls to participate in porn films. Their hook was "Everybody does it on tv, why not you? And if you are already doing it for fun, why not be payed for it?"
Besides the whole underage thing, the girls who would accept to do it would be those a) interested in money b) already experienced c) cynical to morality and ethics and stuff All of which because the tv and the internet tell us that everybody does from a young age, so it's normal. Or that's what the ones biting the lure are supposed to think. So we cannot blame someone specifically as we are all in this mess. I believe most men are against this sort of thing yet most WOULD buy such a film in secret. Wait, this is not about porn, right? No, it's about dancing erotically from a tender age on tv. Same issue, albeit far less serious. Today they dance, tomorrow they... what? And as I said earlier, today's children are forced to learn and grow up very fast as they are afraid of being cast aside as lame or useless or something. |
2010-06-01, 06:03 | Link #90 |
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@roriconfan,@MeoTwister4,@Theowne: Basically you guys hit the nail on the head! Y'all said in one fashion or another that if you see it on TV or the Internet the it's cool. And that is sadly true unfortunately! It's no longer art imitating life, but rather life imitating art!
All I can say is that if and when you are ever blessed with children raise them to your own morals and standards! Don't be influenced by others or by what's the current popular notion. And above all don't let the "popular" or the "clique" people dictate how you raise your kids!! In other words, they're your kids and your resposibility, raise them the way YOU want too!
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2010-06-01, 06:24 | Link #91 | |
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2010-06-01, 06:30 | Link #92 | |
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Seriously though, I would prefer to say that the parents want the best for their kids, but bad results like this tend to be paved by good intentions. How would you like it if your kid is ostracised for being a geek or a nerd, and despite being smarter, he had no friends and is always bullied in school, therefore missing his childhood and teenage years overall? It is neither great in anyway whether he/she runs a Columbine or commits suicide due to being like this. Yeah. Our world is screwed up. It takes real guts to be different. Cloistered nuns have appeals too! Ever watched Seikon no Quasar?
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2010-06-01, 17:10 | Link #93 | |
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2010-06-01, 19:35 | Link #94 |
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No matter how vulgar, how disgusting, how disturbing the dance may or may not be, they dance better than most people. They can at least bring out the energy. The dancers in my high school dance class couldn't wow me as much as these children did. I was bored of watching the high school dance show as soon as it started.
Also, Pedobear probably funded this dance.
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This doesn’t surprise me. I imagine that some people would be absolutely mortified to learn that I’ve seen fifteen year old girls cosplay characters from erotic game derived anime at conventions. But having actually become a con buddy of sorts to a pair of (then) 15 year old twins who did such cosplay, I get the impression that they didn’t see it as a particularly sexual thing. Nor do I think their mother – enough of an anime fan herself to know the origins of the characters – saw it as being particularly sexual. And of course, I as a cosplay photographer aware of the character’s origins didn’t see it as particularly sexual and I imagine the same would be true of most of my peers. If some outsider where to argue to me that girls who cosplay characters from erogame derived anime are more likely to be promiscuous or some such, I’d tell them they simply don’t understand the subculture they’re talking about – and I’m pretty darn sure I’d be right. In either case, I wouldn’t call the connotations irrelevant, but implying that girls that do either are more likely to participate in underage porn is hyperbole in my opinion. And when people go attaching their own connotations to how people act in a subculture, the results can occasionally get nasty. I remember own Counter-Strike player in a Texas high school getting in a whole heap of trouble for making a CS map of his school. Now, making maps of locations you know is pretty much standard practice for beginning mappers, and as any CSer will tell you, the game is about armed conflict, not shooting civilians. It’s not like the kid was inserting his other students into the game as target practice (in fact, he wasn’t inserting other students into the game at all). But of course, parents and administrators not familiar with the norms of the subculture in question interpreted it as “OMG next Columbine copycat” and went nuts. So yeah, I think I have more than a little reason to be worried about people applying their own connotations to subcultures they aren’t part of. Quote:
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Bash the girls? I think those speaking out against this are thinking of how the adults that coordinated this thing failed. The girls can dance great, but that is capsized by the problems.
Like the poster above you said, they could have had the girls do a great dance without the controversial elements.
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To CuXe who sniped on me cause I turned flippant in page 1 by saying that this dance != these girls spreading their legs for a dick in years to come, may also wanna check out the latest implications that I'm seeing here. It takes no genius to figure out what the 'worst' impression from this video would be, hence I reacted off of it, even if no one in Asuki itself typed it at the time. (this being a week ago though) It was the general outcry from the article, the youtube comments and other opinions that I was basing my post off, if you wanted 'evidence', back then. "There's gyrating in the video with kids under 10." "Oh my gosh, future strippers and whores, call 911, somebody!!!?" Quote:
- My dad specifally parked me in front of the TV, I grew up on cartoons of the 80's and 90's and was addicted to TV until about 19 when I grew out of US shows and teen stuff. As a result of my cartoon addiction, it transpired to anime as well along the way. I was influenced a lot by the media (namely American, Nickelodian and the rest), should my parents have had me taken away then? Or don't you think that along with the exposure and fight against the media and mainstream that morals and values are instilled in other practices within a home that does give a child some balance, despite their hobbies. - I'm definitely not disputing you on the lack of discipline (personally, I think a clip around the ear would sort most kids out) xD - or responsibility that seems to be more evident recently but that's another issue, however dance, singing, TV, computer game wise, depending on how the household of that child is run, none of us can say for sure that these kids are being 'damaged', nor are most gonna imitate what they played off GTA after spending numerous hours on it during their youth. Video wise, the kids were exploited to some degree given the outfits, yes, but dance wise, there are no qualms. They could have done something 'less intense' but I'm sure there are other groups who probably did, we just haven't seen them. Quote:
If you're specifically addressing the dance now, detail how it raises goosebumps for you. As I said in my posts earlier in this thread, I don't mind if people feel umcomfy with this style, but specify what exactly you think is 'wrong', dance wise. Also food for thought for you guys while I head back to lurksville. If these girls were: 1: Black 2: Same age 3: Had normal casual clothes on 4: Mimicked more of Beyonce's video and moves with less of the ballet work - Would people still be screaming bloody murder in here? Just Mystique's personal curiousity, while she now drags herself away from the keyboard for writing too damn much. ><;;;; Edit: You know what? Let the videos do the talking for me in addition to my question Two are in spoilers for 'space' but I'll leave the 8 year old's video of the same song (similar moves) open. The quality isn't great for this one, but the girl's still got some grooves in her. ^^ 11 year old dancing to the same song, she will probably become professional at the rate she's going, esp in this vid. (And I promise you, she didn't begin at 11, most likely, similar to me, she has been dancing 'casually' since she was a kid, throwing off similar moves within the urban music subculture) Spoiler:
And for the 'aww so cute factor', a 1 year old shaking her thang to the same tune. Spoiler:
Now the chances that these three girls will become 'sluts', 'prostitutes' or 'loose' or 'without morals' because of a dance with moves that are considered by some as 'mature', kinda feels highly unlikely. This is of course probably part of their daily lives, instead of being on a stage for a national dance competition with make up and attire which was tacky, but the moves, the training, the effort and the styles would be similar practices for all of the kids. How those girls live at home and are raised, none of us know for sure to be able to make judgements that their parents are bring downfall on them all. Rather go, hunt down the stylist if we're looking for a scapegoat... Rather seeing them (esp the 11 year old) just brings back major nostalgia for me, I should boogie around the kitchen more often tbh
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