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2011-03-15, 10:56 | Link #9523 |
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I suppose it's possible they have been pretty vague on the details of what GN particles are outside of them being some sort of exotic particle. I know a few of the MS in Seed such as the Freedom used nuclear fusion and that it was the standard MS power source in GW.
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2011-03-15, 12:20 | Link #9524 |
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In the case of nuclear fission and fusion, both produce electricity through indirect means (e.g., fission boils water, producing steam to generate electric current). My current theory is that in one way or another, GN drives base their reactions off something very similar to that of nuclear fusion. The energy harnessed in the TD Blanket is likely to take advantage of the reactions and decay involved, and ends up producing GN particles (e.g., GN particles do not exist until after the TD Blanket has processed the energy created from the reaction).
Any electricity that is involved is likely from simply jump-starting the reaction, and any electricity produced through the GN drive is indirect through reactions involving the flywheel and GN particles themselves. Of course, this works against Tau Drives, which need electricity not only to jump-start, but to keep the said reaction going, as the lack of a TD Blanket means they can't produce GN particles at the same rate, let alone enough GN particles to provide a net zero or plus in electricity. Addendum: In the case of Tau Twin Drive, it's very likely that electricity needs are higher to jump-start and maintain GN particle output high enough to keep synchronization between two drives. As a result, Tau Twin Drive Systems are inherently expensive and the maintenance costs far outweigh that of using a real Twin Drive System. OT: I should note that in SEED, Freedom and other units that ran off nuclear fission did so via methods that bypassed the N-Jammer devices.
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From what I've heard though, some very early sources seem to have stated that the GN Particles are byproduct of the energy generation mechanism of the GN Drive, so they are some similarities in there. ================== Regarding jump starting Tau Drives, the only known units with confirmed onboard starters mechanisms are the Gundam Thrones. The GN-X series have been mentioned to have lack the ability to start themselves up at all without the use of those large base machines. The electricity in their case likely comes from the base rather than the mobile unit, but the flipside is that they likely cannot turn off their Drives completely while on field. They may be some other Tau Units that have onboard starter mechanism but we have not received confirmation of any yet. I personally suspect Raphael is one of them, since it likely got charged on the Ptolemaios 2. ================== Regarding the Tau Twin Drive, I'm personally theorizing that that the synchronizing process itself may require large amounts of energy, and since all burden of energy is on the in-system energy reserves of the mobile unit itself, it may have more operational limits than what an Original Twin Drive can achieve. We saw Reborns, but we only saw it for one battle and while it operated well in that one battle, we have no direct data about its operational time. In other words, pretty much exactly what your saying. It may also play a factor in why Tieria chose to make Raphael a non Twin Drive suit, if this is indeed the case.
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2011-03-15, 14:24 | Link #9526 |
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I wonder what's actually used for the reactions? I imagine it's something that can be abundantly found on Earth (e.g., deuterium/tritium), otherwise the Tau Drive wouldn't exist.
After that, what would be needed for the TD Blanket versus what the Tau Drive uses?
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1) Topological defects (most likely monopoles) induce proton decay, resulting in the release of decay products that eventually release gamma rays. 2) Using solar panels to absorb the gamma rays, as tanqexe theorized, is actually considered an impractical method for converting gamma rays to energy, even accounting for future innovations. Instead, I believe they're actually using the proposed method for antimatter power plants, which also create power via gamma rays and is based off of nuclear rocket principles: Using the gamma rays to heat a working fluid that is then used to generate electricity via simple MHD. Quote:
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Could even be a composite material for all we know. But........I dunno whether this is a mistake by the novel or not but in Novel 1, it was mentioned that one of the reasons why GN Drives is hard to make is because some materials required to make it is only found in Jupiter. Would be funny if those "materials" turns out to be topological defects however. Novel 2 and a few other sources mention the need for a high gravity environment. This could be a separate requirement than the "some things are only in Jupiter though. I dunno much about topological defects specifically, so I cannot talk about the monopoles. But I think tanqexe was one of the magnetic monopole proponents. Quote:
I cannot remember the exact source (I suspect its CA's 300 Years Book Later translation though) but I recall that it mentions that GN Drives continuously produce GN Particles all the time. If we were to liberally take all the time, as even when they're stripped to the core (IE which include the Generation Furnace is what I'm implying) than it would mean that the furnace could be a place to facilitate the byproducts of the GN Particles that come out naturally from the reaction. The early source I mentioned was translated by Mark I think but I want to track it down specifically as well. That and of course, the word "furnace" is in there which makes me suspect that its part of the core since solar furnace can exist and change Chassis and keep being referred to the same unit as far as language used in the anime is concerned. I wish I can retrack some of the early Mechatalk threads, there's bound to be some info there. However the Mechatalk search engine is non-functioning practically (to say it in a nice way).
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I'm almost positive that no form of nuclear fusion of fission is involved in production of the GN particles. Every time that a nuclear fission reaction or the materials involved in that type of reaction is mentioned any time in the series, it is done so with immense disdain and refered to as a 'relic' of the old age, IE something they killed off and burried and would very much like to see it kept that way. On top of that, the materials required for a fusion reaction are never mentioned, nor is fusion reaction itself ever mentioned. I can't remember any hints or references to Helium-3 at all, and I find it difficult to believe they would use fusion with the solar energy rings in use.
I don't think the UN would have so readily adopted Celestial Being's technology or at least they would have modified it enough that nuclear reactions were no longer involved, or failing that, some mention of it would have been made in the series. I almost believe the reaction within the solar furnace would be simmilar in concept to a star (as if the name wasn't a big enough clue. :P ): Immense pressure, gravity and heat forced onto sufficient mass of the fuel of choice, possibly a gas ultra condensed until it ignited, with a constant input flow of new gas and an outward flow of plasma and light. Obviously, you don't just start and stop a burning star, which might explain the name of the furnace and why it's not a good thing to start and stop. How it gets converted into GN Particles I don't know, but the plasma wouldn't be too hard to convert into straight electrical current. Last edited by Synica; 2011-03-17 at 02:42. Reason: Added the addendum |
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It was during the Azadistan arc. Episode 12 if I'm not mistaken.
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