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Old 2021-05-24, 23:28   Link #141
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Yes, he's finally gonna get arrested next episode! Finally!
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Old 2021-05-25, 00:10   Link #142
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Another solid episode. Certainly the connection with this pair has developed pretty well over the course of the show. Now to see how things play out in the final episode. There's no more running away at this stage. Time to let the past itself be revealed and deal with progressing towards the future.

No doubt that Sayu should and will go home at the end of the day. The only way for things to progress is to let them unfold in a proper way. Dealing with everything that made her run in the first place, get on the path to a future she can be satisfied with and then seeing where things go from there. Seems likely her path will take her back towards Yoshida. But she's got to go back home first.

Much as it doesn't feel enjoyable with how uncomfortable her brother's very existence is...
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Old 2021-05-25, 18:45   Link #143
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Now to see how things play out in the final episode.
Final episode? Aren't there 13? i can't believe it would end on some odd # like nine.
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Old 2021-05-31, 10:29   Link #144
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Sayu's brother turns out to be a...surprisingly decent guy? Like, he seems to genuinely care about his sister and want to support her, he even helped her run away, and he understands why she doesn't to come home and after Sayu fervently defends Yoshida he understands how good a guy Yoshida is. He even gives her a week to get herself together before coming back. If he had found out what she had been doing to survive after he lost contact with her and the money ran out, he'd probably be utterly horrified .

So it seems like from the start Sayu's drama comes from her difficult relationship with her mother, who from Sayu's perspective never cared about her and apparently only wants her found because her teacher has been asking about her ever since she stopped going to school. Although Sayu's brother seems to think she is worried about Sayu and Sayu leaving left her even more emotionally volatile, so who knows what's going on in that woman's head .

Sayu was isolated and lonely at school, but she found a fellow school reject in Yuuko who became her first and best friend, but because of Sayu's popularity with guys, one rejection ends up making Yuuko a target for girls jealous of Sayu because Yuuko's an easier target, and things get worse from there .

Is that Manaka Iwami as Yuuko? Jeez, doesn't she voice enough girls with emotional drama this season? She even has twintails like Tohru .

Sayu tries to be there to support Yuuko, but Yuuko feels beaten down by the bullying and the fact that she feels like she's an emotional weight dragging Sayu down with her, and the only answer she can think of is to kill herself...not only could Sayu not help her, but she had to watch her friend commit suicide and then see the body. How emotionally scarred can you get .

And when Sayu becomes a public figure and has to reel from the emotional fallout, when she needed support from her mother the most her mother basically complains about how much of a hassle it all is and whether she killed Yuuko. The gall of that woman! No wonder Sayu ran away .

Naked Sayu in that hotel room...is pretty sad .

Sayu was so filled with self-loathing and emptiness that she just gave up on herself, and then ended up giving up her first time to some random guy who took her in. She could have contacted her brother somehow but she didn't feel like she deserved the effort. It's great that Sayu has found her self-worth since then, but it's still so sad .

Yoshida can't say he's not involved in this after all he's been through with Sayu, but with only a week left before Sayu returns home he has to find his own answer for his feelings towards Sayu and what he wants for her .
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Old 2021-05-31, 11:16   Link #145
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This show really likes to flip flop on antagonists. Creepy guy that was going to assault Sayu in Yoshida's apartment? Oh he's not that bad a guy and helps her out later. Sayu's brother showing up in a creepy manner and terrifying Sayu? Oh he's actually a decent guy.

Show...just stick with how you are characterizing people please. Characters can go on arcs and change. But let's not just flip flop and make it seem like they are actually great after showing up and not being great.

At least we finally got to see what went down with Sayu in the past. And yeah it is about as messed up as you'd expect. Although I suppose it could have been even worse. Certainly bad enough for things to play out the way they did.

Now to see how the story wraps up in the final episodes. Time left for Yoshida to figure out his side of all this. Not much time left before Sayu is definitely heading back home.
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Old 2021-05-31, 11:22   Link #146
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This show really likes to flip flop on antagonists. Creepy guy that was going to assault Sayu in Yoshida's apartment? Oh he's not that bad a guy and helps her out later. Sayu's brother showing up in a creepy manner and terrifying Sayu? Oh he's actually a decent guy.

Show...just stick with how you are characterizing people please. Characters can go on arcs and change. But let's not just flip flop and make it seem like they are actually great after showing up and not being great.
Well, to be fair, unlike Yaguchi I don't think we saw enough of Sayu's brother to really have a clear indication of his character or feelings regarding his sister until this episode where he actually got to see and interact with her.

If anything people just probably readily assumed he didn't care about her from what she said about her family, but that was really only about her mother. But it was a false impression.
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Old 2021-05-31, 13:12   Link #147
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Contrary to Yaguchi, I think it is fair they initially portrayed Issa that way simply because he is still on the "family" side, meaning that no matter how much he helped her, his appearance is basically associated with Sayu's mother. I agree it came out as a bit too onimous at first, but from Sayu's POV, he is there on their mother's behalf, so no matter how good his intentions are, he can't be considered as her ally to its truest sense.
Speaking of which, while Issa had some decency not to force Sayu to stick with their mother after such messed up confrontation, he ultimately made the worst decision possible. He acknowledged Sayu needed some distance from their mother, but he left Sayu to her own devices and just gave material support, but not actual emotional support. It doesn't matter if he could simply rent/buy an appartment instead of giving money for hotel, the thing is that he acted more like a mediator between both of them instead of really being Sayu's "ally" so to speak. Of course, he cares about Sayu, but I believed he could have handled things better.

Anyway, I wasn't particularly impressed by episode 8 (thanks for more plain romance tropes with Mishima, while Sayu and Yoshida somehow go to a festival while Issa was already confirmed to be in town), but episode 9 did the trick when it comes to covering Sayu's past. Bullying wasn't really much of a surprise and Sayu being unable to bear with the situation while her mother couldn't really give a damn except for her family image were more than enough to justify Sayu erring that way.

That said, the episode left me a bit annoyed by the really plain storyboard. I was quite surprised how the "did you kill her" scene and Issa trying to stop Sayu scene were directed. They were quite flat which didn't really match the tension and emotions. Thankfully, Ichinose went extra mile when it came to her acting for Sayu thorough the episode.
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Old 2021-05-31, 13:39   Link #148
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I don't think anyone in that household was really thinking clearly during that situation or making the best decisions.

I guess with Issa, it seems like Sayu's dad is gone since they don't mention or show him at all and he's the one running their family's company, so obviously he has even higher expectations placed on him while having to deal with his emotional conflicts with his family as his sister is going through so much and their mother is no help.

He wants to give both of them the space they need without imposing or forcing too much on them because he cares about them but maybe he should've been more direct. Although I also think he expected Sayu would come back or try to call him before she dropped off the map. I guess he also trusted her to be okay and couldn't expect what actually happened.
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Old 2021-06-01, 02:13   Link #149
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Feels like her family has lived a fairly superficial life, and thus their efforts have been as such.
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Old 2021-06-01, 02:49   Link #150
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I know that no one in this show made sense, but could you have at least used "She's rich" instead of "She's pretty" as the reason... rea... reason...? for the bullying of someone other than her? Whatever. Then it was like, hey, I'm gonna commit suicide in front of yah. Smile! And she's like, cool, let me take a look at your body.
Also, was that supposed to a scene of her masturbating? For what? What does the show want me to think about this scene? God this was a hilarious episode.
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Old 2021-06-01, 12:46   Link #151
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I know that no one in this show made sense, but could you have at least used "She's rich" instead of "She's pretty" as the reason... rea... reason...? for the bullying of someone other than her? Whatever. Then it was like, hey, I'm gonna commit suicide in front of yah. Smile! And she's like, cool, let me take a look at your body.
Also, was that supposed to a scene of her masturbating? For what? What does the show want me to think about this scene? God this was a hilarious episode.
Bullies can be that petty, and Sayu being well-off probably was a factor.

Sayu just chanced upon Yuuko when she was about to jump, and the smile showed how emotionally broken she was. Sayu couldn't help herself but crawl to see what happened after watching her jump.

So I guess that's why she was naked in the room? If I had to assume, she was just trying to feel something after the pain and numbness she was left with because of the fallout of Yuuko's death.
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Old 2021-06-01, 21:40   Link #152
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I know that no one in this show made sense, but could you have at least used "She's rich" instead of "She's pretty" as the reason... rea... reason...? for the bullying of someone other than her? Whatever. Then it was like, hey, I'm gonna commit suicide in front of yah. Smile! And she's like, cool, let me take a look at your body.
Also, was that supposed to a scene of her masturbating? For what? What does the show want me to think about this scene? God this was a hilarious episode.

Jealously is one main reason for bullying. And people who bully the others will pick up the target that's easy for them to bully. That explained "Why her, and not the others who is similar to her?".

If anyone see someone jump off to their dead in front of them, most natural reaction of everyone is to go look down where that person jump to. If you don't do that, you are really a strange one.

Hotel scene might be hard to interpret, but it means to say Sayu finally has freedom to do anything she want now that she left her house and her mother. Narrative in that scene helped interpret her action.

One last things, Just because someone don't do what people usually do, it doesn't mean their action doesn't make any sense. There is always a different approach to each situation. Even if it's not 100% correct thing to do.
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Old 2021-06-02, 04:02   Link #153
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Yep, I agree with what Marina2 and Frontier had to say about the subject. Bullying is a huge issue in Japan, and it is not easy to imagine its magnitude if you are not living in Japan. For example, an idol group I follow, Nogizaka46, almost all their top members were bullied in school. So much so that a lot of them stopped going to school altogether. Yet, now they are considered the top idols in the industry. A lot of them are considered part of the most beautiful echelon of entertainers in Japan and are extremely successful.


Bullying in Japan is real, and you don't have to be an outcast to be bullied. If you stand out in any way, then you can be a possible target of bullying. A lot of the Nogizaka46 members were bullied simply because of how beautiful they were.
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It isn't just Japan, but it is quite prevalent over there because kids are pressured to comply to "society's norms" instead of displaying their individuality.
Regardless of such factors, bullies will -always- try to justify their actions for the hell of it. It could be because you are ugly or too handsome, it could be because you are poor or rich, it could be because your name was simply "stupid" to them. Bullies will just take any petty reason to do their thing on their hapless victims and that's it. They don't need an actual grudge to do X or Y, although it could be an additional incentive for them.

As someone who was bullied for years when I was a kid and got to know people in the same predicament, I can tell you there wasn't ever any logical reason for what the bullies did, nor any legit provokation done by the victims. Kids are emotional by nature and a lot of them just want to let loose and/or feel superior by bullying others. Simple as that.
If their target look too strong willed or so, they will simply strike where it hurt most and/or attack something or someone who is way more vulnerable than the intended recipient. And that scenario in higehiro is perfectly relatable because that shit happens quite often IRL to begin with.

Meanwhile, suicides are always born from desperation with the victims being unable to think through. Obviously, on paper, Yuuko could have done so many different things: talk to their teacher, talk to her parents, etc. Problem is that school is a very unstable microsociety at large and some kids are stuck with no "obvious" solution at all. Tattling can be seen as either a "shame" for the victim or actually something that might be more troublesome because the school tries to sweep things under the rug (which is painfully recurrent in Japan) or parents will try to minimize stuff so it doesn't seem as bad as the kid believes it is.
And needless to say, yes Yuuko asking Sayu to keep smiling after her suicide is irrational, but so is the act of suicide. It is unlikely to expect someone in such desperation state to think rationally how the other person will react, especially if they believe they are the source of their misery to begin with. Even adults who can't bear peer pressure at their work place may kill themselves even tho rationally speaking, "they could just resign and find another job lol". Harassment isn't always bearable, and in some cases, the victim can't see any option other than end the suffering even if others could help them.
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Old 2021-06-03, 09:30   Link #155
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I know that no one in this show made sense, but could you have at least used "She's rich" instead of "She's pretty" as the reason... rea... reason...? for the bullying of someone other than her? Whatever. Then it was like, hey, I'm gonna commit suicide in front of yah. Smile! And she's like, cool, let me take a look at your body.
Also, was that supposed to a scene of her masturbating? For what? What does the show want me to think about this scene? God this was a hilarious episode.
Without the attitude, judgement and meme-stuttering, you'll find that Higehiro actually does a commendable job of laying out Sayu's backstory. The others have already provided a strong rationalisation of why Sayu ultimately ends up running away from home the breaking point was her own mother refusing to listen to her. Similarly, during Yūko's suicide, Sayu peers over the railing with the desperate hope that she might against all odds be fine. Irrational? Probably, but it's also a natural response.

In fact, the time is now to make this point known: you are not the anime character. Anime characters act in ways to drive the story and facilitate a particular idea. Sayu's backstory happens to set her on a course to meet Yoshida, and had things turned out differently, there'd be no story. Moreover, it is completely unreasonable to expect Sayu to act how you would. So, if I may offer a suggestion: take a step back and try to understand why characters do what they do before passing judgement. It'll help put the characters' actions in context within the story.
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Yoshida's throwing himself into work so as to not think about Sayu leaving and how he really feels about it, thinking it's not his place to get involved no matter how close and attached to Sayu he's become .

Sayu's brother personally thanks Yoshida for taking care of his sister, because sometimes it's just as simple as a good guy whose drunk wanting to keep a cute girl safe .

I thought Sayu's mom was bad, but her dad is trash too. He was a philanderer that wanted Sayu aborted, and then basically abandoned the family. And because she wasn't the key to keeping her husband around, Sayu's mom stopped caring about her. Sayu wasn't loved by either of her parents. No wonder she's so emotionally messed up, her parents were terrible .

Sayu takes Yoshida stargazing in her spot with Asami and tells him about her resolve to accept her past and move forward to become stronger, even if she has to do it on her own. And it's all because of her chance meeting with Yoshida and the kindness he showed her that she could try and be that strong .

Hashimoto was the first person who Yoshida told about Sayu, so it's kind of ironic it took him this long to actually see her, but he was also there to give Yoshida his biggest kick in the butt to stop resting on his laurels and be honest with himself .

Figures Mishima would be the one who says for Yoshida to follow his feelings and go with Sayu, whether she needs him there or not, because it doesn't just matter what Sayu wants, but how Yoshida feels. There is no "proper" way of going about things. And Mishima happily covering for him at work alongside Hashimoto was really cool of her .

Sayu wanting to see Yoshida at his work and walk home with him is actually pretty sweet...it just got out of hand when her phone died. She really seems to have a problem with keeping her phone charged .

Well, Sayu and Yoshida finally end up in bed together, but it's more a wholesome moment as they seek comfort and support in each other one last time before the big day of Sayu's departure, but seeing Sayu still yearning for the warmth of their life together drives Yoshida to finally decide to go with her to Hokkaido and help her face her mother .
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Without the attitude, judgement and meme-stuttering, you'll find that Higehiro actually does a commendable job of laying out Sayu's backstory. The others have already provided a strong rationalisation of why Sayu ultimately ends up running away from home the breaking point was her own mother refusing to listen to her. Similarly, during Yūko's suicide, Sayu peers over the railing with the desperate hope that she might against all odds be fine. Irrational? Probably, but it's also a natural response.

In fact, the time is now to make this point known: you are not the anime character. Anime characters act in ways to drive the story and facilitate a particular idea. Sayu's backstory happens to set her on a course to meet Yoshida, and had things turned out differently, there'd be no story. Moreover, it is completely unreasonable to expect Sayu to act how you would. So, if I may offer a suggestion: take a step back and try to understand why characters do what they do before passing judgement. It'll help put the characters' actions in context within the story.
While I agree with your viewpoint, I also think some people approach anime (or media in general) with a completely different mindset that won't change. For instance probably folks like sb have watched anime for so long that they're too cynical to enjoy connecting with characters like this anymore. FWIW I think they're missing out on some aspects of the show, but it's not my job to tell people how to watch anime. What I've found gives me the least consternation is to just have fun discussing the show, and pointing out / reading about the interesting parts of the story, art, animation, whatever, and share the excitement that way (whether or not others are receptive to it).

"Anime characters are not you" is very topical though, because during the ep I was thinking I'm definitely not as soft as Yoshida. If I were in his position I would be much more determined to let Sayu go back alone, since I think it's a better way for her to develop independence. Well, probably also because I'm an everyone-eventually-dies-alone kind of nihilist/loner, but since now Yoshida has made up his mind that he's not taking this route, I'm curious to see how far he can possibly take that.
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While I agree with your viewpoint, I also think some people approach anime (or media in general) with a completely different mindset that won't change. For instance probably folks like sb have watched anime for so long that they're too cynical to enjoy connecting with characters like this anymore. FWIW I think they're missing out on some aspects of the show, but it's not my job to tell people how to watch anime. What I've found gives me the least consternation is to just have fun discussing the show, and pointing out / reading about the interesting parts of the story, art, animation, whatever, and share the excitement that way (whether or not others are receptive to it).

"Anime characters are not you" is very topical though, because during the ep I was thinking I'm definitely not as soft as Yoshida. If I were in his position I would be much more determined to let Sayu go back alone, since I think it's a better way for her to develop independence. Well, probably also because I'm an everyone-eventually-dies-alone kind of nihilist/loner, but since now Yoshida has made up his mind that he's not taking this route, I'm curious to see how far he can possibly take that.
What you say makes absolute sense, and as Yoshida, I likely would've chosen differently, as well. Of course, that's end the story here and now, so I've no qualms with the story taking a different path.

People are definitely allowed to have (and encouraged to express) their perspectives as long as they're being rational and measured about things. This is a bit of a special case: cynical sarcasm insulting the characters gets old real fast. There's no analysis or anything meaningful to chat about, just a condescending "look how much smarter I am than the creators". When the individual in question is doing this in every thread for the shows I'm watching this season, irritation understandably results, and one wonders what precisely there is to be gained by giving snarky commentary.
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It really hits home how Sayu is going back to face her past when she's back in her school uniform, but Asami there is to see her off with a bright smile .

The fact that Sayu was so sheltered and isolated that being on a plane and going to a cafe are so refreshing and new for her is both kind of cute and sad at the same time. She deserves so much more than what she's gotten in life before she met Yoshida .

I guess it makes sense that before Sayu could face her mother, she has to face her trauma over Yuuko's death and go back to school. So she and Yoshida sneak into the school so she can go back to the roof where it happened. Although with how much Sayu knows about sneaking into the school and what security is like, I get the sense this isn't the first time she's snuck in .

Wouldn't it be something if what Yoshida got caught by the police for was trespassing into a high school and not anything to do with housing Sayu? Good thing it didn't happen, though .

Fences should probably be more common around high school rooftops before the need for them arise from a student killing themselves, although I think rooftop access to high schools to begin with are more of an anime thing .

Sayu still feels incredibly guilty and broken over Yuuko's suicide. She blames herself for what happened and for wishing Yuuko didn't kill herself, and feels like everything is her fault. It's so tough having to deal with a loved one killing themselves, especially in such a high-tense situation. It's so bad that Sayu even harms herself .

But Yoshida is there to tell Sayu that Yuuko's death wasn't her fault and that she really did care for and cherish Yuuko, and that wanting her to live instead of killing herself isn't wrong. And while Sayu still feels bad about it, she's finally found the resolve to move on and keep Yuuko's memory alive .

I was prepared for Sayu's reunion with her mother to start off on a bad note, but I wasn't expecting her to slap Sayu straight off the bat. I don't know if it's completely unwarranted because Sayu ran away for so long and never called or tried to get back in contact when she was probably in immense danger (so yeah, she wasn't acting smart), but after all she's been through I don't think a slap was warranted. Especially when I'm still doubting her mother's intentions towards Sayu. I hope it doesn't et worse from here .
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It can't get worse. If it does, Sayu will not be able to live with her mom, and Yoshida will be involved f9rever. The story is coming to a conclusion, so it must be resolved.
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