2018-06-15, 10:17 | Link #21 |
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My guess is that they are focusing on obtaining the technology of Pluton, Poseidon, and Uranus to crush Dragon's rebellion. Each of those pictures is someone who is, or is potentially connected to, one of the 3. Luffy and Blackbeard and completely unruly and would never help them. Shirahoshi is now under complete guard after Charloss's ill attempted enslavement so it would be too difficult to get close to her. Or perhaps mjosgard got close to her on their orders for this very reason. Vivi is less guarded and they already view her family as traitors so they are planning to make use of Alabasta's Poneglyphs through her.
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2018-06-15, 12:21 | Link #22 |
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I'm surprised Dragon wasn't among the torn pictures/wanted posters on the floor. He's the most wanted man in the world, you'd think he would be the biggest threat to the world's balance. I'm in fact pretty sure he'll be the one chosen by Im regardless. Luffy already has two Yonkou on his ass, no need to add any more people. And BlackBeard is lucky as shit and still the most likely candidate for final boss (despite all those plotlines being introduced over the years, the final fight will definitely be over who gets to become Pirate King).
It would suck if Dragon died before Luffy gets to meet him though. Yep, I'm pretty sure the person chosen will die, or Im won't look like much of a threat at all.
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2018-06-15, 12:29 | Link #23 |
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I'm for that. It would be interesting. Especially if she is like the other Celestial Dragons. Like she left Mariejois to find the weapons. She used Dragon and then betrayed him starting his rebellion. She got pregnant but dumped Luffy on Garp rather than deal with a half breed CD/D son.
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2018-06-15, 13:33 | Link #24 |
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I think it's because Dragon keeps a lower profile in comparison to Luffy. I mean, for instance, his relation to Luffy and Garp was pretty much a unknown until the latter exposed it himself, remember? And heck, his secret base in Baltigo wasn't exposed until Blackbeard's invasion of the place, was it not? Meanwhile, Luffy and co. are always causing some huge splash on whatever island they visit. So while Dragon is undoubtedly also a threat to the world's balance, he at least has the advantage of drawing less attention to himself. Not like his son, who's now become infamous enough to be targeted by two of the world's most powerful pirates, heh.
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I can actually kinda get behind the idea of Im being Luffy’s mother... you’d have to wonder what kind of woman “The World’s Most Wanted Man” would concieve a child with... the most powerful figure in the WG would make sense... Oda did always say Luffy’s mother is very unattractive, so maybe he was refering to her personality?
Something along the lines of, “They were a couple and had a kid, but Dragon realized what kind of woman she was as soon as she got power”. It would even kinda explain Dragon leading the Revolutionary Army to take down the WG if he actually knew the one pulling the strings at the top and what they’re capable of. But all theories.
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Im (or Ym, in one translation) was holding a picture of her as he was going up the stairs to the Empty Throne. That alone could not be a good thing, especially since she argued against Lucci in the last chapter when he defended Charloss... before Mjosgard -- or "PWNgard" -- 'whacked' him upside the head. |
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They have rather 'normal' looking clothes and seem like they were capable fighters when they were younger, in contrast to the other celestial dragons who look really spoiled. |
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2018-06-15, 16:53 | Link #29 |
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This is just a thought but what if Im doesn't live in Mariejois with the other Celestial Dragons and that is how they keep up the whole "no celestial dragon king" scenario? That the whole Reverie is just a set up to sneak Im in once every 4 years. Basically the meeting of kings is just a front for that and actually has very little power.
Here's another thought. Luffy is currently 19 years old. Under the potential assumption that Im could be his mother. Perhaps he was conceived at the Reverie from 20 years ago. Perhaps Dragon was a good Marine 20 years ago. And during the Reverie at that time was asked to escort that ruler of a country there. In his job of protecting her, they conceived Luffy and then he found out the truth of what she actually was and what it means for the rulers who take the "Reverie" seriously. As a result he goes rogue and leaves the Marines and starts the rebellion to weed out the corruption in the World Government.
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As for Roger, there are still lots of mysteries surrounding him. There could have been reasons he was allowed to reach Raftel and uncover the secret behind the Void Century. Anyway, given the Five Elders' confidence they can get rid of anybody Im wishes to see gone from this world, and the fact Im is being introduced as the ultimate secret mastermind, it would make little sense if he didn't hold significant power.
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So.... the whole alliance with Capone in the previous arc never happened, then? |
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2018-06-16, 15:54 | Link #36 |
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I am truly surprised about Kuma. I really thought that he would have just been modified to just be some ultimate killing machine that Luffy or Zoro would probably have to take out maybe when Luffy finally went after the world government itself. He has an awesome devil fruit, i'm pretty sure he's done some nasty deeds for the CD's.
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2018-06-16, 17:25 | Link #37 |
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Now im worried about Alabasta.
Maybe Buster Call on it? Calling Cobra a traitor. Kuma, does this mean he is not a Warlord anymore? Really, Donflamingo probably did not know about this, but kind of saw this coming. Law made the right choice throwing away the Warlord title like a disposable asset. |
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The first question would be concerning the knowledge: There are basically two possibilities. Either trying to keep the fact a secret, or not. If they were trying to keep it a secret, we would have to wonder how they do it. Surely somebody would notice that the five most important people of the world didn't get older. It's not like they stay in shadows like Ym. They interact with the marines, the Celestial Dragons and probaly with the kings coming to Reverie as well. That's not something you can hide for several hundred years. So the other possibility would be much easier: It's not a secret, but common knowledge to everyone who interacts with them. However in this case, there is no reason for the author to hide the knowledge from us, the readers. I think it would have been mentioned already. Either in one of the notes, when the peoples are introduced, or indirectly by some character mentioning it. Basically that is the main reason, I'm not convinced by the theory, even though it sounds rather interessting. Now to some other questions, which would appear: If they are from the WG founders, what happened to the others? It weren't just 20 persons, who founded the WG, but 20 kingdoms. So they were at least 20 royal families (19 if we leave out the Alabasta Kingdom), which likely consisted of at least a king, his queen and a crown prince. How come that only 5 of them are left alive, when they are supposed to be immortal? Why do the Celestial Dragons accept this? The celestial dragons see themselves as gods. How can they accept, that five of them live as immortals and rule over them, without wanting the same power for themselves? |
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Its a nice theory, but i would doubt they are immortal simply because it would be impossible to cover up seeing as they have meetings with the kings and other important individuals. They would notice if the elders were never changing. Being immortal would make more sense of Ym, since few people even know of their existence. If you never meet with anyone then no one will notice you never change except for the few that ARE trusted with knowledge of your existence. The 5 elders are supposed to act as the face of the WG's leadership, so that no one knows about Ym.
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