2014-05-09, 00:55 | Link #33721 |
Lumine Passio
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Should we remind you that our General Secretary is pro-China, our President stands in the middle, and our Prime Minister is pro-America?
Anyway, the intact of our border is one of the top, if not the biggest, point in political. Sure, we won't hope for any of the "big players" to help us. Still, it won't be an easy ride for China. The only problem is: Do the leaders have the guts to take the action? |
2014-05-09, 01:43 | Link #33722 | |
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I mean, I understand if China wants to argue with the Koreans or the Japanese over borders, it is almost expected. But an argument with Vietnam just seems a bit too much all at once.
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2014-05-09, 02:50 | Link #33723 | |
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The fact that China is now getting at odds with a country that was mostly indifferent to them until the last year, it is just plain stupid. |
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2014-05-09, 04:11 | Link #33724 |
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It is the case of 'the strong do what they can, and the weak do what they must'e. China really is provoking some responses this time, and there is no doubt who is in the wrong.
This's strange, as normally they only just throw things up, when they want to divert public attention away from a local incidence. But i haven't watched the news enough to guess what is this national issue. The bomb terrorist on Western China perhaps ? What i fear however, is the general weak response from US and Europe on the Crimea's incident have inspired China to go for their own "sea grab". Things may escalate fast here
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2014-05-09, 07:27 | Link #33728 | |
Lumine Passio
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If happen, it will be a sea-air war. Hope that they won't bring in the Liaoning. |
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2014-05-09, 10:30 | Link #33729 | |
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My impression is that China believed they can "fix" the relationship later but they want those oils now. |
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2014-05-09, 13:24 | Link #33730 | |
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So if there is nothing else that pops up, China's direct aim is to simply take over an oil field assuming Vietnam fold. So this isn't about saving face or drawing lines on a map anymore; this is actual argument over resources.
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2014-05-09, 22:14 | Link #33731 | |||
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Chinese fishers face charges for crime in PH
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2014-05-10, 00:04 | Link #33732 |
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Of course Chinese government will deny the charge, as obviously the turtle caught themselves into the fishermen boats, not the other way around
Expect Chinese spokesman to soon accuses the turtles on carrying provocative acts in violation to China’s sovereign rights. But no seriously, there is nothing personal toward Chinese AS members, but i would like to hear from you guys on your government actions/ explanations over the incidents. Was they blaming the Philippines framing those fishermen with live turtle? And Vietnamese boats ramming their ships against Chinese oil drilling operation and accidentally injured themselves? Or it's censored away form the news?
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2014-05-10, 00:15 | Link #33733 | |
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2014-05-10, 00:33 | Link #33734 | |
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I means if this map is correct: We don't even need maths to see:
Geologically it's clearly who in the wrong. Historically, what kind of ancient resources that needed China to own such deep sea areas. Which not only so far away from their mainland, and obviously should be in no interest to Chinese sovereignty until modern day of offshore drilling. Culturally, unless part of Chinese culture is to row hundred miles southward and take a dip with the fishes in the middle of nowhere as their life ritual.
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2014-05-10, 00:42 | Link #33735 | |
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I wandered around the internet for reactions on this and people are not calling the PRC very kindly over this case. The word "thief" is quite commonly used to describe the whole situation with that offshore drilling stuff. |
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2014-05-10, 08:12 | Link #33736 |
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You know, frankly this is why I never see China politically supplanting America as the Global super power. How are you supposed to be projecting global influence when you can't even make nice with...practically ANYONE in your backyard?
That's a dangerous maxim to pursue when several of your neighbors are advanced enough to hypothetically join the nuclear club. Saber rattling becomes a bit of a pointless display when firearms start getting brandished.
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2014-05-10, 08:44 | Link #33737 | |
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/obvkidding But yea, it's a pretty outrageous claim from China when you look at the map... |
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2014-05-10, 08:55 | Link #33739 | |
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Except this time is trade benefits instead of 2000lbs of democracy.
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2014-05-10, 10:05 | Link #33740 | |||
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Apparently the Cuban fields were deemed not worth the investment. Here's a column by one of the NY Times's staff on the situation in the Western Pacific worth reading, if only for the references to John Mearsheimer's work: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/09/op...-doctrine.html. Quote:
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