[Game] Umineko no Naku Koro ni Chiru - Ep. 6 Dawn of the golden witch

[littlegal100]

Originally Posted by ~Ayane~

no no no no! How come Lady Maria and Saku were defeated by some fu...fu..furniture?! And also Rosa who pwned hundred goats?

geez i so dont like these four right now...

I know -_-

I lost some respect for all 4 of them, especially George and Shanon (I for no doubt dislike them now)

[Kitsu]

Besides, how easily DID Kanon kill her? Did she even put up ANY form of resistence?

Kanon surprised her. They were talking and then slice. He was gentle adn respectful..Shannon on the other hand....

no no no no! How come Lady Maria and Saku were defeated by some fu...fu..furniture?! And also Rosa who pwned hundred goats?

Resolve is everything. The fought for the ones they loved...Maria fought for pure revenge.

I like george even more since this episode because he was honest etc. telling SHannon how he looked down on everyone etc. He is now a real adult I guess^^ I first was angry at them for doing that just for their love... but I kinda can understand them. Kyrie dug her own grave. If she hadn't told jessica about the hell through which she lived without Rudolph Jessica might had not the resolve to kill her.

[Key Board]

I think she got inspired because of Kyrie, actually

after all, Kyrie did say that she would kill Ayumu herself had Ayumu survived her ordeals

Jessica's counter attack was brutal and true, though (from my memory) "What you have is merely jealousy, aunt Kyrie. You do no possess love"

[~Ayane~]

Resolve is everything. The fought for the ones they loved...Maria fought for pure revenge.

lol what? so you say Maria is more guilty because she started fighting with her moms murderer? if she didnt love her she wouldnt even want to get revenge in the first place.

this is facked up, oh yeah, lets start killing people because some trap demons told us we can then be happy lovey dovey 4ever...this is sooo beautiful way to show love...

oh and yeah, its Kyries fault too, because telling your niece something about you isnt the wisest thing. because there always is a probability that she is lovestrucked possessed by demon crazy bi...girl...

and yeah George is very adult murdering her mom instead of saying "i love her, im marrying her. period" and then stopping conversation. o_O


and it doesnt matter if these are fantasy scenes or not, they have to "behave according to their own nature" after all...

[Klashikari]

... Are the thread guidelines all that cryptic to be ignored like that?

I already warned people regarding the purpose of this thread, but I think a blatant copy paste of the guidelines again, with emphasis, might be better

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[Kitsu]

As I think answering this counts as discussion I'll post..if it doesn't I'm sorry.

I think Ayana misunderstood me

lol what? so you say Maria is more guilty because she started fighting with her moms murderer? if she didnt love her she wouldnt even want to get revenge in the first place.

I don't know how you come from "How was Shannon able" to guilty. I said that Shannon was able to defeat Maria was simply because her resolve was a lot stronger than Maria's desire for revenge, ALso is Shannon's magic on the level of a middle class magican (as stated in the episode 2 TIPS) and Maria is an apprentice

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this is facked up, oh yeah, lets start killing people because some trap demons told us we can then be happy lovey dovey 4ever...this is sooo beautiful way to show love...

Like I said I first was angry at them but then...I understood. The trial had the setup "Win or loose your loved one forever" Loosing somneone forever is like dead to me. Imagine it..you have to possiblity to save that person..how far would you be ready to go? I can understand them somehow. Of ocurse it's wrong but I'm able to relate to that.

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oh and yeah, its Kyries fault too, because telling your niece something about you isnt the wisest thing. because there always is a probability that she is lovestrucked possessed by demon crazy bi...girl...

I never stated that it was Kyrie's fault but that in the end she dug her own grave. Without that talk she might have survived because Jessica's resolve was to weak in the beginning, she hestitated and even missed a chance to kill her. It's not her fault she oculdn't have known (maybe she could...cause Jessica wasn't looking that..ehm happy during that scene she had her melancholic face on) Kyrie wanted to be nice and help jessica with her problem but with that she dug her own grave.

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and yeah George is very adult murdering her mom instead of saying "i love her, im marrying her. period" and then stopping conversation. o_O

First I didn't mean that scene please read properly. I menat the scne of George's proposal to Shannon in which he admited the worst things about himself. On how he arrogantly looked down to his "stupid" cousins and even wooed Shannon just for the heck of itand cuz it made him feel great.

Did you actually read Epsiode 6 ?

[Klashikari]

I personally think it is totally silly to judge a character in this kind of situation because:

1) even if a character isn't bend completely, a character controlled by the "witch side" might do something they "wouldn't", but still "could". This is exactly the same fact regarding Episode 5 gameboard.
Because of this, even if you consider their actions not as "out of character", it isn't something they would do, unless <great> circumstances and factors are at stake, which can happen to any human being alike.
I really have no bloody damn idea why it should have an impact to the overal personality, thus, appreciation of said character.

2) the lack of information, mood and exact words used really don't help.

I really think this point should not be discussed if one didn't even read the damn Episode.
That's like people complaining about Erika being a mary sue before even reading Episode 5, since her presence is nowhere close to the conventional "everything is fixed".

[Marion]

I thought Erika was a mary sue because she pretty much:

-Comes to the island and solves the epitaph with Battler
-Goes on and on and on and on about how wonderful a detective she is
-Every human but Battler seems to be more than okay with her prancing around and doing as she pleases.


But going away from that. George only attacked Eva mostly because she attacked first. She (or rather Evatrice) was saying that she was going to put George back into her womb and that her red web was the womb. I mean just wow. Is it me or is Eva one of those yandere mothers who loves her a son a bit too much

I liked Kyrie's battle though. Being able to summon Leviathan to help her out was pretty kickass. It's really a shame she died though - it's not like she intentionally tried to get Jessica angry at her.

[momobunny]

I don't think Mary Sues don't usually brag about themselves... it's the other characters and author who do the bragging for her. The fact that she was so full of herself was an obvious character flaw of her's, which makes her seem like less of a Mary Sue to me.

Wow, I really want to read the George and Jessica battles in this episode even more now.

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by Marion

I thought Erika was a mary sue because she pretty much:

-Comes to the island and solves the epitaph with Battler
-Goes on and on and on and on about how wonderful a detective she is
-Every human but Battler seems to be more than okay with her prancing around and doing as she pleases.


But going away from that. George only attacked Eva mostly because she attacked first. She (or rather Evatrice) was saying that she was going to put George back into her womb and that her red web was the womb. I mean just wow. Is it me or is Eva one of those yandere mothers who loves her a son a bit too much

I liked Kyrie's battle though. Being able to summon Leviathan to help her out was pretty kickass. It's really a shame she died though - it's not like she intentionally tried to get Jessica angry at her.

How DO Jessica and George fight in this scene specifically? I heard that Jessica uses the powers of the demon possessing her, but does she? And is that also the case with George?

And I get how Kanon can off Rosa, but how the bloody hell does SHANNON off MARIA?

[Isekaijin]

Originally Posted by Marion

I liked Kyrie's battle though. Being able to summon Leviathan to help her out was pretty kickass. It's really a shame she died though - it's not like she intentionally tried to get Jessica angry at her.

¿WHAT? SO NOW EVERYONE IN THE FREAKING ISLAND CAN USE MAGIC?

I could hardly digest Jessica and George... Now Kyrie has become a summoner? What now? Gohda can make appear goats with chef hats? Rudolph can revive Elvis Presley?

Jezz... Rate this is going, even the mackarels will be able to use magic...

[Marion]

Kyrie can't use magic. I should reword it: Kyrie didn't summon Leviathan. Leviathan came to her rescue rather than that. On the flip side Jessica gets help from Ronove.

Maria begins fighting Kanon, but then Shannon comes in to help. The two of them kill her.

[~Ayane~]

First I didn't mean that scene please read properly

i know i was talking about overall him...whatever

Like I said I first was angry at them but then...I understood. The trial had the setup "Win or loose your loved one forever" Loosing somneone forever is like dead to me. Imagine it..you have to possiblity to save that person..how far would you be ready to go? I can understand them somehow. Of ocurse it's wrong but I'm able to relate to that.

yes...i think losing someone forever is the worst thing in the world...but still im not sure if i would kill little girl's mom and little girl just out of my pure egoism...putting George aside because at least Eva had something to do with his feeling, but Kanon? Jessica? How did Rosa or Kyrie block their way to happiness. This whole trial is just stupid, it would be better if the four of them was just trying to kill each other instead

don't know how you come from "How was Shannon able" to guilty. I said that Shannon was able to defeat Maria was simply because her resolve was a lot stronger than Maria's desire for revenge,

Resolve is everything. The fought for the ones they loved...Maria fought for pure revenge.

maybe i misinterpret but you made it sound like such pretty emotion like love couldnt lose to mere desire to get revenge

ALso is Shannon's magic on the level of a middle class magican (as stated in the episode 2 TIPS) and Maria is an apprentice

but Maria has a lot more potential than Shannon and is a witch and from what i know Shannon is not...(?)...so i would expect Maria to snap and release hidden powers in situations like that...but maybe shonen'ish rules doesnt apply here (anymore xD) whatever...

Did you actually read Epsiode 6 ?

ehehe xD not really, but i read first scene and the fights at least.

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by Marion

Kyrie can't use magic. I should reword it: Kyrie didn't summon Leviathan. Leviathan came to her rescue rather than that. On the flip side Jessica gets help from Ronove.

Maria begins fighting Kanon, but then Shannon comes in to help. The two of them kill her.

I figured as much from Kyrie.

[immblueversion]

Hey, check this out:

Spoiler for Kyrie:

Yes, this is in EP6.

[Midnight Bliss]

I don't think people should judge Jessica, Kanon, Shannon, and George, because really, they didn't have a choice. I'm sure they didn't want to kill anyone, but they're in love, they want to be with the person they love forever, and when you love someone, you'll go to the farthest depths in the world to just be with that person. So, of course they'd kill to be with the one they love, if they didn't have any other choice.

[Forsaken_Infinity]

Originally Posted by Joneleth

The stakes are Kinzo's stakes.
The siestas are Kinzo's guns.

Gaap is Nanjo.

Hmm...so then:

Butler Ronove = Genji

Hoohohing wise old witch Virgilia = Kumasawa

Guest who opens up holes and the like aka Ga(a)p = Nanjo

Freaky trapkid twins Zepar and Furfur = The "On"s

Then then, Milady Princess golden witch Beatrice = Ugh...Jessica? I mean, she is "Milady" and "Princess" and is freakishly close to Kumasawa (Episode 1, scene in Nijima harbor). But she loves Kanon lol. Hmm, any hint as to if Beatrice also had anything for the trapkid?

Btw guys, how do I use that Atlas thing? All I did was go through the game in Japanese, trying to make stuff out in my head based on music and the illustrations T_T.

[KnightOfTwo]

Well Beato seems to have always held a particular sense of joy from tormenting Kanon, maybe Jessica is a closet S ? Come to think of it that would explain the brass knuckles.

[Marion]

I don't think you can fit the two Beatos that appear to a character. But that's just me.

Replaying right now. And wow is this depressing. Battler actually becomes so upset he pretty much plays pretend. Poor guy.

[immblueversion]

Originally Posted by Midnight Bliss

I don't think people should judge Jessica, Kanon, Shannon, and George, because really, they didn't have a choice. I'm sure they didn't want to kill anyone, but they're in love, they want to be with the person they love forever, and when you love someone, you'll go to the farthest depths in the world to just be with that person. So, of course they'd kill to be with the one they love, if they didn't have any other choice.

Did people really forget the tests in EP4 so quickly?