2013-01-21, 21:14 | Link #7081 |
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Yes. But that is because I don’t think a mystery is helping the plot here. At least now how they deal with the story in this boring office like environment. Also it doesn’t bother in made clear any motivation for the bad guys or have a goal to move forward so they are all jumping around for what it seems not good reasons. Here I say this is not a proper set for mystery on the same sense as a mystery novel will be. I mean some plot twist and surprises are welcome but how about a villain with a clear goal? That will be nice.
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2013-01-22, 10:22 | Link #7083 |
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No really, I will prefer if they just drop the office setting, burn the place to the ground, grab their spaceship and boldly go where no man has gone before. Yes that will be a little stupid but has to be more interesting than watching the same place over and over while they do nothing but train and fill reports. Rather than just getting things and not reaching any conclusion maybe they could. You are assuming they will never find out something about the Silver Cross when they can really do it. Something more exciting than this, is all I’m saying.
I mean when I hear there is a problem I don’t want to see them put a commission to write a report on what is going on, I want to see them send a team and go to fix the problem. And I know the SD6 should be that team but, let’s be honest, the office part is not fun.
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2013-01-22, 11:00 | Link #7084 | |
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I don't think it will be to the extremes of "burn the office" but i would like they just summarize those scenes to only the needed amount to show important stuff then shift back again to the action xD
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2013-01-22, 11:09 | Link #7085 |
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Yes, burning the office sounds extreme but you get my point. I am not asking for them to just go to war with an army of mages (Even if that will be awesome) but just… something else.
Again this is what we get but just because of it doesn’t make it good. I mean the setting is kind of like what I was asking but the way is done feels boring.
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2013-01-22, 12:36 | Link #7086 |
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Hayate: "Okay! We're all in the ship, let's go!"
Lucino: "okay, what's our course?" Hayate: "Course?" Nanoha: "Where are we going, Hayate?" Hayate: "Um, out there? Where no man has gone before!" Fate: "But, that means we'll be going somewhere the Huckbein aren't. What about the investigation? What preparing to fight and capture them when they appear again? Don't we wantto be ready to protect people so more towns aren't slaughtered?" Hayate: "But that's not exciting, Miss 'logic and reason!' The people wanna see us out there, flying around in our spaceship! And that sounds like fun to me!" *runs around with arms outstretched, making airplane flying noises* Nanoha: "What happened to her?" Fate: "She took advice from an internet forum poster." Nanoha: "Oooooh..." |
2013-01-22, 14:01 | Link #7087 |
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I think it's more what they're spending time on that's the problem, not that they're actually trying to explain something important.
I'd be fine with it if that info-dumping about the Raptors amounted to something afterward, but they got taken out just so Cypha could rescue Touma, and then have a fight with Signum that didn't really mean much. Just like the AEC weapons' contributions have all been minimal so far. |
2013-01-22, 14:14 | Link #7088 |
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Considering the series isn't over, we don't know what will turn out to be important. And I thought we established the AEC weapons were a work in progress? Despite that, they've somewhat useful. Vita and Nanoha blew holes in the ship to get a team on board. Fate went toe-to-toe with Deville, and Subaru's glove worked.
As always, I'll refrain from commenting on untranslated chapters. But remember... the raptors learn. Even if trashed early, tbeir experiences are shared with the hive. It might be interesting if the raptors became the true threat. Edit: the vast majority of past chapters have been action, with "stuff happening." Hell, vol 2 and 3 were practically all action. So the moment we get a couple of relatively quiet chapters, we complain? A series can't be all action. Even A's had quite a bit of down time. And next chapter or two looks like stuff happening with Hucks and Grendels. Last edited by Kaijo; 2013-01-22 at 15:02. |
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I say “boldly go” not just “go”. Typical of Hayate she can’t do anything right
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2013-01-22, 18:32 | Link #7092 | ||
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...what? it worked for the Great Gurren Brigade xD! But, jokes aside the problem was never the fact the expose things and spent time on investigation, it's more the unecessary amount of time dedicate to that sort of stuff when simply a short glimpse would be enough to imply their doing investigation work. When a character is depicted taking a meal we usually take just a little scene of him/her eating their stuff and commenting something ...what we have here is the entire process of the character cleaning their hands, sitting on the table, playing with the beans, asking for salt, talking about it's day, finishing their meal and then order the plates while taking those to the sink. It's that horrible lack of dynamism in the plot that hurts the "toughtful" moments. All the good mistery movies keep a health dose of action between investigation scenes that aren't unecessarily specific/detailed. Quote:
Again it's not about the contents but more about the way those are presented. Kaijo and Sansker are going a bit to the extremes. Pure, mindless action is only good within certain kind of shows ...and Nanoha is not one of those. The characters need strong motivations and reasons for doing stuff otherwise they'll find themselves fighting shallow battles which only drag things around instead of adding to the excitement (as it was the case with Tohma VS. Everyone fight and Signum VS. Cypha Round 2 ...the other fights rank from average to cool ...at least in my book xDU). A healthy balance beween exposition, action and the ocasional comedy/slice of life is required to add to the experience (ViVid suffer heavy from that, it's either all fighting or all diabethic sweetness, not to the point of being jarring but it distracts too much from the important stuff).
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2013-01-22, 19:31 | Link #7095 | |
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An entire Volume (about an entire year of publications) was dedicated to the "stuck in Namek" part of the story xDU Were we have some decent short fights and one big and long excessive one (the other extreme, too much action without any good reason ...ok fine, they were rescuing Tohma but he was in puppet mode most of the time).
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2013-01-22, 19:44 | Link #7096 |
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You know, it just hit me... the Raptors are potentially the largest threat, being able to absorb all of your combat data and then use it against you. Their only real weakness is a limited battery.
And Hardis is working on the Eclipse for a new, clean energy source. What if Hardis's corp is secretly working with Caledfwlch (makers of the Raptors)? Hardis is infecting people with the Eclipse, in order to start up trouble, creating a threat for the Bureau. And along comes Caled with useful countermeasures. Two corps, profiting off the creation of a war.... a war Curren doesn't want. She'd prefer her family to stay unnoticed, out of the limelight, and Hardis is threatening that. In that light, everything starts to make sense. Edit: Lily, now having named some raptors... which will be the ones that get infected or taken over by Hardis and/or the Eclipse. Some of them will "die" (which will add the tragic angle) but maybe one survives, and becomes one of the team. Team Nanoha gets a robot! |
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They seem to have the same durability as the AEC-units (aka. not that great xDU). Which is also anothe rthing that needs to be inmproved. Quote:
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Add to the fact that there are tons of these, all working together perfectly (maybe even sacrificing a few of them, in order to allow others to hit your weakness and defeat you). Yeah, they're not great now, but never underestimate a computer's learning capability in a sci-fi story. |
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2013-01-22, 20:15 | Link #7100 | |
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Fortunately, a cool villain or awesome hero beating the crap out of machines programed to counter then is a well known shounen-cliche that i would like to see again xD If what people comment here about Carter Grendel is true then his Carter-level combat data won't be of much help while facing ..say ...the Huckebein xD
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