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2012-12-28, 14:46 | Link #522 | ||||
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It needs to be like 500 or some shit. Quote:
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But this is exactly why I don't like using a democracy to decide voting on a single post. Hell, let me flip the table around. If we go by +/- system, then when you read a good post and vote it up, and then some angry jackass reads the first sentence and votes it down, it'd count for the same thing. Is that even right? Hell, that's one of the few things that the rep system actually gets right. Though maybe it shouldn't to that degree. I do think for the sake of entertainment, that more points should give more power, but it shouldn't be so big. Say 2:1 ratio at best, instead of 10;1 like it was. Quote:
But still, I think even if people reinforce positive thinking, that it's still biased towards certain avenues of posting style, namely a more "clean" and positivist approach. It's just really hard to constantly express critical opinion over a long period of time and be widely approved of. It's possible yes, but it's an uphill struggle. To make it clearer, it can reach the point where we all agree on something and causes stagnation. Honestly, if you read my posts and think "Man, Archon is full of shit", then it's actually a good sign that we can increase the chances of meaningful discussion. And finally it's just really hard to separate disagreeing with someone and not liking the way one argues. At least for me, and quite a few people that were honest enough to me to admit that. Ideally a debate is not to convince the other side that they are wrong but to open the opinions to everyone else. But honestly, do you think most people are capable of this mindset?
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2012-12-28, 14:48 | Link #523 |
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Triple R I get what you are saying about limitations with PM and I think if feasible an increase in PM size would definitely be nice.
But remember reps had drawbacks to. A lot of times I wanted to positive rep the same person but couldn't because you need to rep 10 different people before giving rep to the same person again.
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2012-12-28, 15:13 | Link #524 |
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Yeah.. this was great. I'm individual of strong opinions and that sometimes makes me annoying, but I feel that there is always need for different aspect of view, so now I don't have be upset about people giving bad reps for me simply because they don't like what I am saying.
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2012-12-28, 15:13 | Link #525 |
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@Triple_R Shipping wars and cliques are my area of expertise. Do you want my version or the mod version?
-The mod version is that shipping wars end up in flames and trolls, and tend to spread out all over the place, so just killing them outright in all threads is easier and efficient. Of course, that didn't use to be so. There were pretty successful and persistent shipping wars going around (especially when you have communities within communities pop up), but those had mostly just died out by the time they decided against all forms of active campaigning, in all and any threads and boards. It made things easier to manage and supervise. Fairly recently, Social Groups appeared. Pretty much the same thing as before, although apparently it's easier to contain the flames. As far as the rep goes, Social Groups do give you the resources to guide reputation even now however you like, but that was always against the rules anyway. Note, however, that when community leaders generally expressed distaste against a poster, you could be sure he'd be stamped for negrepping by the group, as long as no rules were actively broken. Enemy groups don't need more reason to go against each other anyway. Clique repping was just a lesser symptom of group politics. I'm not sure how exaggerated the reports are but some form of underground group repping WAS there. For example, you can be fairly sure that the worst members of each group would end up getting negreps primarily from the opposite group and the group members would posrep each other often. Thing is, these worst posters from any group were indeed bad posters and ended up getting banned, so the negrep wasn't really unjustified. I seriously doubt that you have even stuff like that now. -My version is, of course, more romantic.
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2012-12-29, 04:00 | Link #526 |
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Thing is, coalitions working together to rep themselves are wasting their own time anyway. So why bother stopping them trying to get pips?
Also, most communication between such coalitions is on the boards anyway, so it's possible to use a bot to sniff out such bad behaviour and issue warnings. The rep system could be fixed by adding some kind of decay, so that farming it was difficult. You could prevent the passive aggressive reps more easily by allowing you to flag rep messages the way you can flag posts, so that moderators can take swift action. I feel like getting rid of rep completely is throwing the baby out with the bathwater. I felt more connected with the forum due to getting positive reps, as it showed to me in concrete ways that people enjoyed reading my posts. Without that kind of positive feedback I don't feel like I'll be quite as motivated to go to the same amount of effort. The + reps created a kind of community spirit. |
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(I should know; I've been infracted for rep trolling) Quote:
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2012-12-29, 11:49 | Link #528 | |
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That's probably the only helpful use of negrep, keeping the threads on topic instead of degrading to pure arguments about discussion etiquette.
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2012-12-29, 13:20 | Link #529 | ||
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2012-12-29, 13:28 | Link #530 | |
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It's not that giving out a negrep steers discussion back on track, it's that having the negrep outlet helps to keep purely ad hominem arguments off the threads so those threads are less likely to go off track in the first place.
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In any case, either people will learn to keep their stupidity to themselves, or face the consequences of no longer being able to hide behind complete anonymity.
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2012-12-30, 00:24 | Link #534 | |
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2012-12-30, 00:52 | Link #535 | |
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But let's be serious, if you can't be bothered to click a few more buttons for a PM, your thoughts don't have much value. Then again, if someone is being a dick, I doubt they'd care anyways, so hit report or make their post looks silly. You'll have to learn to create a decent argument while subtly insulting them slightly below the threshold for moderation but just enough to trigger them to rage post at you and get mod'd. I know it takes effort, but hey, nobody said life was easy.
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2012-12-30, 01:34 | Link #536 |
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I agree with this change, the neg reps and comments pissed me off especially wen all i was doing was stating my opinion, i would of liked to see the users name being shown though for neg repping someone, i bet they wouldnt of done it then
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2012-12-30, 05:20 | Link #538 | ||
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Obviously. A rep bar is pretty easy to spot, a wall of text takes time to read, so perception works in favor of spotting the rep bar first.
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2012-12-30, 06:25 | Link #539 | ||
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And while it's true that we could be mindful of their reputation, that crappy posts generally speak for themselves. Quote:
What you call easy and efficient, I call lazy. And I did use it when I felt too lazy to come up with anything thoughtful. It was used when one just didn't want to waste energy and that's why I said these kind of things are petty and worthless anyways. It can be fun, but that's about it. I mean I don't think the mods would take me seriously if I'm like "Don't take away my ability to easily insult lots of people anonymously,because I don't want to put the effort into posting, despite that being the very point of a forum"
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