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sky black swordman · 2013-06-18, 18:37

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Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

Kiba gained BB during Volume 3 and holy demonic swords the same time
Xenovia's Ex-durandel was I believe around volume 6 or so but double check that she mentions sending it to the church. You can count Irina's Brave Saint powers as an upgrade but other then that nothing.

It was in volume 9.

@GrrDraxin, you could also add Akeno's Fallen Angel transformation.

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Originally Posted by ImperialFlameGod8190

he doesn't use Ascalon because he's not a swordsman type

That's true but he is learning how to use a sword better through his training with kiba. He has acquired enough skill to use Ascalon to cut off Cao Cao's arm in volume 9 during his first confrontation with him. Of course he will never acquire enough to match Kiba or Xenovia.

lilNewBlood · 2013-06-18, 23:07

Ise has not truly mastered the Boosted Gear yet. If he is able to attain Ddraig's original peak powers, the evil dragons will not be a threat to him at all lol and he can easily curb stomp anything with just raw power except it is a long way from now. However, by mastering Ascalon will boost his technique aspects - using Ascalon in his Triania Knight will make him similar to Kiba.

Chris38 · 2013-06-18, 23:57

Personally I think that the Gremory group has enough swordsman already ... after all, there is Xenovia and Kiba who are definitely going to be better then Ise when it comes to using their swords and the various techniques that are related to it.

He might gain a few sword techniques, but overall I don't think he's often going to use Ascalon as a sword, especially after Ise started to learn how to infuse Ascalion's dragon slayer aura (which might be later upgraded into dragon slayer + holy aura) into his first attacks and BG moves.

II Maestro · 2013-06-19, 01:03

Ise isn't a swordsman anyway so he isn't capable wielding a sword like Xenovia or Kiba, That's why he transfer the aura or power of Ascalon in his fist suit him more than Ise wielding and swinging a sword.

GrrDraxin · 2013-06-19, 11:09

Hmm, good thinking people. I'm sure there are more to add as we think into the periphery characters.

Though while Sona's group has had an upgrade in power and technique, I don't know if that could be attributed to Ise's influence. I know any upgrades they get from volume 13 on out will be because of Sona's experience in being the Gremory group's substitute king. Though I wonder if the indirect influence thing though Azazel would count, because if he wasn't the Gremory/Occult Club adviser, he wouldn't have given Sona's group the "reversal" technique secret to begin with.

Spoiler for Updated Overview List:

And Maestro, who's that in your sig/avatar?

Somethindarker · 2013-06-19, 11:19

Gremory members

Rias(King): New POD technique[vol.14], Switch Princess Abilities (Oppai Recharge[Vol.?], Oppai Motivator[vol.?], Oppai Calming Aura[vol.?], Oppai Balance Breaker[vol.?])
Akeno(Queen): Holy Lightning [vol.7?], Dragon Affinity[Vol.14], Fallen Angel transformation, Holy Lightening Dragon[Vol. 14], Mid-level Devil Promotion
Kiba(Knight): Balance Breaker[vol.3], Holy Demonic Swords[vol.3], Acquired Gram[vol.12], Holy Dragon Troopers/Knights[Vol14.], Mid-level Devil Promotion, Motivation to be a worthy partner for Issei
Xenovia(knight): Upgraded Durendal[vol.?], Ex-Durendal
Koneko(Rook): Senjutsu, Nekomata form unlocked, Is trying to grow stronger for Issei
Rosweise(Rook): Learned more Norse magics
Asia(Bishop): Dragon familiar, Dragon Affinity, Fafnir [Vol.14.], Ranged Healing (arrows), Area Healing (around self)
Gasper(Bishop): New form and attacks acquired, More control over his SG
Isse(Pawn): Ascalon[vol.4], Divine Dividing, [vol.4], Balance Breaker [vol.5], Juggernaut Drive [vol.6], Triina Promotion [vol.9], Cardinal Crimson Full Drive[vol.10], True Queen/Knight/Rook/Bishop [vol.10-11], Ryuuteimaru [vol.14], True Dragon Body [vol.12], Body Dragonification [vol.14], Mid-level Devil Promotion, trying to become more like Tannin, and Various oppai related perks and buffs.

Others

Irina(Ace): Reincarnated Angel "Brave Saints", Ophis blessing 'Improved Luck'
Ravel(Bishop in waiting): Been studying tactics intently for Issei, been learning to manage business and training for Issei.
Saji(Sitri Pawn): Had all Vitras fragments merged causing him to awaken.
Sona(Sitri King): Added 2 members
Raiser Phenex: Humbled, has become more caring and is actively trying to improve himself/team.
Sairorg: "Heros' Will"
(name others who've had direct or indirect upgrades due to Isse)

Added some uprages and slight changes/rewording. Keep it going guys if you have anymore feel free to add to it.

G147 · 2013-06-19, 11:37

Nice list but one thing you need to correct Rossweisse is a Rook not a Knight. Also Akeno started using her Holy Lightning in Vol.5, the Holy Lightning Dragon is in Volume 14.

But still seeing Akeno's Holy Lightning Dragon made me wonder if Rias' new POD is also Dragon related. Maybe it'll transform into a Dragon made of POD when used in battle.

cyberdemon · 2013-06-19, 12:19

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Originally Posted by GrrDraxin

Hmm, good thinking people. I'm sure there are more to add as we think into the periphery characters.

Though while Sona's group has had an upgrade in power and technique, I don't know if that could be attributed to Ise's influence. I know any upgrades they get from volume 13 on out will be because of Sona's experience in being the Gremory group's substitute king. Though I wonder if the indirect influence thing though Azazel would count, because if he wasn't the Gremory/Occult Club adviser, he wouldn't have given Sona's group the "reversal" technique secret to begin with.

Spoiler for Updated Overview List:

And Maestro, who's that in your sig/avatar?

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kusabireika · 2013-06-19, 23:10

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Originally Posted by Somethindarker

Gremory members

Rias(King): New POD technique[vol.14], Switch Princess Abilities (Oppai Recharge[Vol.?], Oppai Motivator[vol.?], Oppai Calming Aura[vol.?], Oppai Balance Breaker[vol.?])
Akeno(Queen): Holy Lightning [vol.7?], Dragon Affinity[Vol.14], Fallen Angel transformation, Holy Lightening Dragon[Vol. 14], Mid-level Devil Promotion
Kiba(Knight): Balance Breaker[vol.3], Holy Demonic Swords[vol.3], Acquired Gram,Balmung, Nothung, Tyrfing and Dáinsleif and one light sword [vol.12], Holy Dragon Troopers/Knights[Vol14.], Mid-level Devil Promotion, Motivation to be a worthy partner for Issei
Xenovia(knight): Upgraded Durandal[vol.?], Ex-Durandal
Koneko(Rook): Senjutsu, Youjutsu, Nekomata and Nekomata version 2 form unlocked, Is trying to grow stronger for Issei
Rosweise(Rook): Learned more Norse magics
Asia(Bishop): Dragon familiar, Dragon Affinity, Fafnir [Vol.14.], Ranged Healing (arrows), Area Healing (around self)
Gasper(Bishop): New form and attacks acquired, More control over his SG
Isse(Pawn): Ascalon[vol.4], Divine Dividing, [vol.4], Balance Breaker [vol.5], Juggernaut Drive [vol.6], Triana Promotion [vol.9], Cardinal Crimson Full Drive[vol.10], True Queen/Knight/Rook/Bishop [vol.10-11], Ryuuteimaru [vol.14], True Dragon Body [vol.12], Body Dragonification [vol.14], Mid-level Devil Promotion, trying to become more like Tannin, and Various oppai related perks and buffs.

Others

Irina(Ace): Reincarnated Angel "Brave Saints", Ophis blessing 'Improved Luck', wieder of experiment holy demonic sword
Ravel(Bishop in waiting): Been studying tactics intently for Issei, been learning to manage business and training for Issei.
Saji(Sitri Pawn): Had all Vitras fragments merged causing him to awaken.
Sona(Sitri King): Added 2 members
Raiser Phenex: Humbled, has become more caring and is actively trying to improve himself/team.
Sairorg: "Heros' Will"
(name others who've had direct or indirect upgrades due to Isse)

Added some uprages and slight changes/rewording. Keep it going guys if you have anymore feel free to add to it.

added a little bit

can i add also this
Ophis: "gain a friend"

but im bit confuse about something about fight between sairog and hercules, sairog said hercules regain something a heroes pride .... do you think in the future the hero hercules reborn as devil by sairog .... it just theory and speculation ._.

Somethindarker · 2013-06-20, 01:39

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Originally Posted by kusabireika

added a little bit

can i add also this
Ophis: "gain a friend"

but im bit confuse about something about fight between sairog and hercules, sairog said hercules regain something a heroes pride .... do you think in the future the hero hercules reborn as devil by sairog .... it just theory and speculation ._.

Not sure that's really an up-grade for Ophis, Altho Hercules being reborn as a devil would be ****ing awesome. Never thought of it.

bludvein · 2013-06-20, 01:50

The hercules ripoff may have regained a little pride at the end, but he was still a terrorist working for Cao Cao. Nobody around would have reincarnated him.

It was more like arrogance anyway from my interpretation. He didn't want to use chaos break on someone he looked down on. Not very redeeming.

Chris38 · 2013-06-20, 02:17

Regarding Ohpis ... I agree that her (since Ophis is currently female, I think it's easier to use the female adjectives to describe her) becoming Ise's friend, can't be actually considered as an upgrade for her.

After all, she actually became weaker, due to the various seals that have been put on her, so that Ophis could live in the Hyodou residence.

Not to mention, it's quite clear that, at the current point, it's Ise who gained more benefits from being Ophis "friend - although Ise is definitely going to repay her, by facing the various opponents that might to target Ophis.

kusabireika · 2013-06-20, 04:04

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Originally Posted by bludvein

The hercules ripoff may have regained a little pride at the end, but he was still a terrorist working for Cao Cao. Nobody around would have reincarnated him.

It was more like arrogance anyway from my interpretation. He didn't want to use chaos break on someone he looked down on. Not very redeeming.

True but you know Sairog has charisma it may help Hercules to gain his pride being a hero it's counter productive to them because Sairog may gain a good servant hero and Hercules might learn something on Sairog also if Heracles stay with Sairog he might redeem what it is lost being a hero

Well in certain why ophis upgrade is a friend in issei, maybe issei coz 1 factor he is embodiment of unknown factors and miracles and staying close to issei she might regain what she lost beside that for being so lonely in many eons also being used by Khaos faction "due to one to kill great red". She at last have emotions and a friends with the heavenly dragons and their allies and not being used a tool at least for her she might or might kill great red if she stay with them rather the others side, sorry its bit confusing

Maybe the issei upgrade on sitri group is, he never giving up and have courage, working hard, and issei charisma this might affected and help the sitri to win against to agares without isse they might not get artificial sacred gear and there tenacity to win I think

bludvein · 2013-06-20, 04:18

Well its moot anyway, because Sairaorg only had 1 pawn left to use. Even if we ignore his attacking a bus full of kids and stomping on Sona he still can't be brought back, as I don't think even Sairaorg would be able to rez a SG-user with a single pawn piece.

kusabireika · 2013-06-20, 04:23

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Originally Posted by bludvein

Well its moot anyway, because Sairaorg only had 1 pawn left to use. I don't think even Sairaorg would be able to rez a SG-user with a single pawn piece.

Actually I read about the novel each evil piece will grow depending on the king I might also think that Sairog last piece is mutated pawn it just speculation beside Heracles is better than jean the arc because she is you know..... While Heracles regains something that he lost in the fight with Sairog so I think Heracles is better than jean in my opinion coz she doesn't gain something also she is coward because she kidnapped a child while Heracles throw the power up and fight with his pride in his strength because he is a hero

bludvein · 2013-06-20, 05:05

Hercules was using the kids as hostages when he was fighting Sona's team also. Not exactly the actions of a brave person. Rejecting the powerup wasn't even really pride in being a "hero" so much as arrogance.

kusabireika · 2013-06-20, 05:14

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Originally Posted by bludvein

Hercules was using the kids as hostages when he was fighting Sona's team also. Not exactly the actions of a brave person. Rejecting the powerup wasn't even really pride in being a "hero" so much as arrogance.

Maybe so even with arrogance Sairog said he redeem something what he lost pride or arrogance he still better than jean

bludvein · 2013-06-20, 05:28

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Originally Posted by kusabireika

Maybe so even with arrogance Sairog said he redeem something what he lost pride or arrogance he still better than jean

I don't think I denied that. They are both pretty horrible though, so saying he is better than Jean is kinda meh. Totally not Sairaorg's style to reincarnate either of them. They were enemies.

kusabireika · 2013-06-20, 05:36

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Originally Posted by bludvein

I don't think I denied that. They are both pretty horrible though, so saying he is better than Jean is kinda meh. Totally not Sairaorg's style to reincarnate either of them. They were enemies.

Well we both different opinion on something beside its just speculation my reason why i said that because humans can also change there bad ways if there someone teach them like Sairog

sky black swordman · 2013-06-20, 05:52

@kusabireika, I have to agree with @bludvein on this one.

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Rejecting the powerup wasn't even really pride in being a "hero" so much as arrogance.

Anyway it doesn't matter, it's not very likely that we will see Hercules and Jean (at least not as servants'). They are both terrorist and have done too much for the underworld or it's citizens to forgive or pardon. Both are most likely in the custody of one of the 3 powers, Sairaorg doesn't have enough influence to ask any of the 3 powers if he," Can have Hercules, so that he may turn him into his servant and help Hercule redeem himself."

2013-06-18, 23:07	Link #1262
lilNewBlood Dragon Of Dragons Join Date: Jan 2012	Ise has not truly mastered the Boosted Gear yet. If he is able to attain Ddraig's original peak powers, the evil dragons will not be a threat to him at all lol and he can easily curb stomp anything with just raw power except it is a long way from now. However, by mastering Ascalon will boost his technique aspects - using Ascalon in his Triania Knight will make him similar to Kiba. __________________ Last edited by lilNewBlood; 2013-06-19 at 03:49.

2013-06-19, 01:03	Link #1264
II Maestro Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Location: Data World	Ise isn't a swordsman anyway so he isn't capable wielding a sword like Xenovia or Kiba, That's why he transfer the aura or power of Ascalon in his fist suit him more than Ise wielding and swinging a sword. __________________

2013-06-19, 11:09	Link #1265
GrrDraxin Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Empire of Lolitannia (as Ambassador) Age: 45	Hmm, good thinking people. I'm sure there are more to add as we think into the periphery characters. Though while Sona's group has had an upgrade in power and technique, I don't know if that could be attributed to Ise's influence. I know any upgrades they get from volume 13 on out will be because of Sona's experience in being the Gremory group's substitute king. Though I wonder if the indirect influence thing though Azazel would count, because if he wasn't the Gremory/Occult Club adviser, he wouldn't have given Sona's group the "reversal" technique secret to begin with. Spoiler for Updated Overview List: Gremory members Rias(King): New POD technique[vol.14], Switch Princess Abilities (Oppai Recharge[Vol.?], Oppai Motivator[vol.?], Oppai Calming Aura[vol.?], Oppai Balance Breaker[vol.?]) Akeno(Queen): Holy Lightning [vol.7?], Dragon Affinity[Vol.14], Fallen Angel transformation, Holy Lightening Dragon[Vol. 12?], Mid-level Devil Promotion Kiba(Knight): Balance Breaker[vol.3], Holy Demonic Swords[vol.3], Acquired Gram[vol.12], Holy Dragon Troopers/Knights[Vol14.], Mid-level Devil Promotion Xenovia(knight): Upgraded Durendal[vol.?], Ex-Durendal Koneko(Rook): Senjutsu, Nekomata form unlocked Rosweise(Knight): Learned more Norse magics Asia(Bishop): Dragon familiar, Dragon Affinity, Fafnir [Vol.14.], Ranged Healing (arrows), Area Healing (around self) Gasper(Bishop): New form and attacks accuired, More control over his SG Isse(Pawn): Ascalon[vol.4], Divine Dividing, [vol.4], Balance Breaker [vol.5], Juggernaut Drive [vol.6], Triina Promotion [vol.9], Cardinal Crimson Full Drive[vol.10], True Queen/Knight/Rook/Bishop [vol.10-11], Ryuuteimaru [vol.14], True Dragon Body [vol.12], Body Dragonification [vol.14], Mid-level Devil Promotion, and Various oppai related perks and buffs. Others Irina(Ace): Reincarnated Angel "Brave Saints", Ophis blessing 'Improved Luck' Ravel(Bishop in waiting): None Saji(Sitri Pawn): Vitra upgrade and limited control Sona(Sitri King): Added 2 members (name others who've had direct or indirect upgrades due to Isse) And Maestro, who's that in your sig/avatar? __________________

2013-06-19, 11:19	Link #1266
Somethindarker Super Senior Elder Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Silent Hill	Gremory members Rias(King): New POD technique[vol.14], Switch Princess Abilities (Oppai Recharge[Vol.?], Oppai Motivator[vol.?], Oppai Calming Aura[vol.?], Oppai Balance Breaker[vol.?]) Akeno(Queen): Holy Lightning [vol.7?], Dragon Affinity[Vol.14], Fallen Angel transformation, Holy Lightening Dragon[Vol. 14], Mid-level Devil Promotion Kiba(Knight): Balance Breaker[vol.3], Holy Demonic Swords[vol.3], Acquired Gram[vol.12], Holy Dragon Troopers/Knights[Vol14.], Mid-level Devil Promotion, Motivation to be a worthy partner for Issei Xenovia(knight): Upgraded Durendal[vol.?], Ex-Durendal Koneko(Rook): Senjutsu, Nekomata form unlocked, Is trying to grow stronger for Issei Rosweise(Rook): Learned more Norse magics Asia(Bishop): Dragon familiar, Dragon Affinity, Fafnir [Vol.14.], Ranged Healing (arrows), Area Healing (around self) Gasper(Bishop): New form and attacks acquired, More control over his SG Isse(Pawn): Ascalon[vol.4], Divine Dividing, [vol.4], Balance Breaker [vol.5], Juggernaut Drive [vol.6], Triina Promotion [vol.9], Cardinal Crimson Full Drive[vol.10], True Queen/Knight/Rook/Bishop [vol.10-11], Ryuuteimaru [vol.14], True Dragon Body [vol.12], Body Dragonification [vol.14], Mid-level Devil Promotion, trying to become more like Tannin, and Various oppai related perks and buffs. Others Irina(Ace): Reincarnated Angel "Brave Saints", Ophis blessing 'Improved Luck' Ravel(Bishop in waiting): Been studying tactics intently for Issei, been learning to manage business and training for Issei. Saji(Sitri Pawn): Had all Vitras fragments merged causing him to awaken. Sona(Sitri King): Added 2 members Raiser Phenex: Humbled, has become more caring and is actively trying to improve himself/team. Sairorg: "Heros' Will" (name others who've had direct or indirect upgrades due to Isse) Added some uprages and slight changes/rewording. Keep it going guys if you have anymore feel free to add to it. __________________ Dig me up from under what is covering the better part of me. Last edited by Somethindarker; 2013-06-19 at 12:36.

2013-06-18, 23:57	Link #1263
Chris38 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Poland Age: 38	Personally I think that the Gremory group has enough swordsman already ... after all, there is Xenovia and Kiba who are definitely going to be better then Ise when it comes to using their swords and the various techniques that are related to it. He might gain a few sword techniques, but overall I don't think he's often going to use Ascalon as a sword, especially after Ise started to learn how to infuse Ascalion's dragon slayer aura (which might be later upgraded into dragon slayer + holy aura) into his first attacks and BG moves.

2013-06-19, 11:37	Link #1267
G147 Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: earth	Nice list but one thing you need to correct Rossweisse is a Rook not a Knight. Also Akeno started using her Holy Lightning in Vol.5, the Holy Lightning Dragon is in Volume 14. But still seeing Akeno's Holy Lightning Dragon made me wonder if Rias' new POD is also Dragon related. Maybe it'll transform into a Dragon made of POD when used in battle.

2013-06-20, 01:50	Link #1271
bludvein Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	The hercules ripoff may have regained a little pride at the end, but he was still a terrorist working for Cao Cao. Nobody around would have reincarnated him. It was more like arrogance anyway from my interpretation. He didn't want to use chaos break on someone he looked down on. Not very redeeming.

2013-06-20, 02:17	Link #1272
Chris38 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Poland Age: 38	Regarding Ohpis ... I agree that her (since Ophis is currently female, I think it's easier to use the female adjectives to describe her) becoming Ise's friend, can't be actually considered as an upgrade for her. After all, she actually became weaker, due to the various seals that have been put on her, so that Ophis could live in the Hyodou residence. Not to mention, it's quite clear that, at the current point, it's Ise who gained more benefits from being Ophis "friend - although Ise is definitely going to repay her, by facing the various opponents that might to target Ophis.

2013-06-20, 04:18	Link #1274
bludvein Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	Well its moot anyway, because Sairaorg only had 1 pawn left to use. Even if we ignore his attacking a bus full of kids and stomping on Sona he still can't be brought back, as I don't think even Sairaorg would be able to rez a SG-user with a single pawn piece.

2013-06-20, 05:05	Link #1276
bludvein Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2012	Hercules was using the kids as hostages when he was fighting Sona's team also. Not exactly the actions of a brave person. Rejecting the powerup wasn't even really pride in being a "hero" so much as arrogance.