2011-04-28, 12:19 | Link #1281 | |
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I know that if I was a doctor who wants to know how a virus/infection/whatever interacted with a body, I wouldn't fill that body with what is essentially pretty new technology, since there's remote possibility that it is the combination of tech+infection that produces certain symptoms that could falsely be attributed to either. And I think that the next Macross series showing the time after Frontier will be focused on cyborgs versus natural humantradi, which is perhaps why the whole Galaxy fleet wasn't destroyed in Frontier. |
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2011-04-28, 13:18 | Link #1284 | |
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Or maybe it isn't usual for Galaxy to implant someone past infanthood, or Sheryl linked it to her illness and numerous hospital stays (maybe with a combi with a doctor repeating the above). Or maybe Grace managed to bring her up thinking that while implants were the norm in Galaxy, Sheryl did not have to have them. Depends on how much of Sheryl's stream of information that Grace was able to manipulate (and really, Grace wasn't exactly alone in the fairy project, and Galaxy is their home playing field so to speak). |
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Knowing that people find you attractive isn't a sign of being egotistical, as its merely you being aware of the fact that you are sexually attractive, and its effect on other people. And the last time I checked your boobs don't have to be big for them to be considered sexy (though Sheryl's boob size fluctuates between average and just big) or pleasing to look at or for other people to desire to look at them (ex: Halle Berry). Not every girl in the world isn't aware of the fact that she is in some way shape or form attractive. It doesn't support anything, in fact none of the points you brought up support your belief. I also can't say that Sheryl's career and popularity was fabricated either as we don't see Grace interfere with her too much if it isn't something that has to do with her managerial duties. Remember Sheryl is a singer of intergalactic fame but we only get to see her on Frontier and Galaxy. There is also the fact that if people didn't like her songs then they wouldn't listen to them. Sheryl's not borrowing anyone else's fame, but creating one for herself. |
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2011-04-29, 15:59 | Link #1286 | |
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Her career was fabricated if you look at episode 15. Grace explained that Project Fairy has failed. Her career was only a decoy to cover the experiment Grace is doing with her. It was in her own interest to push Sheryls career and popularity. In the episodes between 15 to 18 you can see that Grace is the true source of Sheryls success. She managed to raise Rankas popularity and decrease Sheryl on the other side. Episode 18 Grace reveals that without her, Sheryl would still be in the slums. I would say that Grace has a lot to do with Sheryls career and popularity. Otherwise she would not have guided Sheryl for so long and had been her manager. Edit: Episode 22, when the bridge bunnies were talking about Sheryls new singing. It would be interesting what one of them meant with liking her how she sings at the moment.
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2011-04-29, 16:13 | Link #1287 |
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I don't think you can be quite that manipulative - the market itself wouldn't let you. Sheryl's success cannot be simply a manipulation, even though that plays a part (and probably a very big one, in researching trends and exploring opportunities) it's not the sum total of it.
If that was so, any manager could make any bum a superstar. And that doesn't happen everyday, does it? I mean... Well... Yeah.
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2011-04-29, 16:26 | Link #1288 | |
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Sheryl also worked for her career and popularity but without Graces support it would be a bit harder to be at that carreer level she had at the beginning of the series. But the fishy part here that she thinks of sheryl as an experiment which makes someone believe all what has been done is fabricated.
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2011-04-29, 16:37 | Link #1289 |
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Both girls became who they did because they took full advantage of the opportunities presented to them, as well as the support of the people around them. You can't undermine their career successes on the basis of the support that they received or the benefactors that they had.
I should also point out that while the first half of the story suggested that Sheryl became who she was because of Grace's nurturing, the second half clearly showed that she stayed true to who she was in spite of Grace. There are very few characters (or people, for that matter) to my mind who have made the journey to greatness not once, but twice. |
2011-04-29, 17:29 | Link #1290 | |
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It's stated in Galaxy Memory (the manga and Drama CD both written by Yoshino) that it was when grace catched little Sheryl singing Totsugeki love heart and asked her is she liked to sing to which Sheryl answered "Yes I love to sing" that Grace got the idea to make her a singer because she was impressed with her. I agree that part of Sheryl success and fame is thanks to Grace and those voices of Galaxy, but we know they didn't add implants on her, or changed Sheryl's voice or used subliminal things ala Sharon Apple to make the people like Sheryl's songs, what I can see them doing is using their contacts and influence to help her become famous much faster and give her opportunities a normal person would not have, but that's it The people of Frontier started to forget Sheryl not because Grace left her, but because she was confined in the hospital, with no new concerts or appearances on TV it's normal, on the other hand Ranka was very busy and the goverment was promoting her, but when Ranka left for the Vajra planet and Sheryl was again able to sing she started to regain her popularity without Grace.
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2011-04-29, 18:25 | Link #1291 | ||
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This is an interesting discussion...but the idol world is one which I'd guess most, if not all, of us have little to no idea about. Especially if they're basing it on the Japanese idol 'system' (Johnny's, Hello! Project etc), which seems to be closer to the studio system of the Golden Age of cinema than the current age of Western idol-singers. (At least, that's the impression I got from reading an analysis of it a couple of years back.) But whatever the case, with the saturation of the market, you really can't make it big at a young age unless you have major backing. Sheryl had the talent and the dedication to hone it...but it was Grace and her backers who provided all the opportunities. Where Grace is coming from is the fact that Sheryl really wouldn't have gotten anywhere without her backing (or someone's backing - it could have been anyone with the money), no matter how much talent and dedication she had. Even her revival would not have been possible without the base that had already been built, at least not as quickly etc. ===== And going back a bit further before I post the last commentary in a couple of hours... Quote:
edit: Ah...actually, someone finally got there recently. I'm glad the posting of the novel section got that across ^^
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2011-04-29, 18:39 | Link #1292 | |
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Its the same for any pop idol without any backing can't get anywhere. But at the same time if they don't have any talent, or people don't like their songs then they simply won't make it no matter how many contacts they have. |
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Its kinda like the real world there are people that have all the talent in world but no contacts, with people in the business, and so never get the big break and make it big. Quote:
Not really with Miley Cyrus it was her dad, with Justine Biber it was Usher, and with the Jonas Brothers it seems like it was their record label pushing them. I've heard of there being companies in Japan that exist solely create idols. |
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That said, I haven't come across anything about how they went about 'producing' Sheryl (yes, my bad...I haven't actually listened to that particular drama CD story), though Grace obviously skipped the 'audition' step... ======== Moving on to the final episode! Summary of the Episode 25 commentary with Nakamura Yuuichi, Endou Aya, Nakajima Megumi and Kawamori Shouji. Recorded on Valentine's Day, about 10 weeks before the BD was released.
Also, remember back to the radio show discussion in 2010 on that infamous line? Turns out that that definitely wasn't the first time it was brought up: it's just that no one in the English fan community listened to the commentaries (the 9th BD was released in April 2009): *Nakamura has been grilled about that line so much that he's even mentioned it in connection with developments he doesn't want in another franchise... They also talk about the movies a lot (irrelevant now that they're out, though one comment was that the triangle was, at that time, a headache to deal with), and about live performances e.g. at the Budoukan, the radio show and the drama CDs (which hadn't been recorded yet. NB: the serious drama tracks can probably be taken as series canon, not so sure about the crack ones). Ah, and there was a bit of fanboying (about Kanaria), fangirling (over the Macross Attack), and reminiscing over Michel. And reposting the end of the commentary... Quote:
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This makes that slapping scene all the worse. - Tak
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2011-04-30, 03:15 | Link #1298 |
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God, it does. I didn't mind the slapping because I thought Ranka was trying to tell her she could be saved and she didn't know how to do it if Sheryl was depressed. It was Ranka way to mimic Sheryl in all she did..... thinking it was for the best. Kind of daft and pointless, but with a good intention.
But if Ranka wasn't even trying to do that... Thank God the second movie improved this nonsense.
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Kawamori also mentions that there's extra information elsewhere about the intestinal network, like in the novels or 'scientific reports' (whatever he means by that), which might be of interest if you want to think about what it means for the triangle. [But don't ask me, I haven't gotten that far in the novels yet!] hm...I may be shot for this, but I don't really understand why people get so angry about the slap... ====== Btw...trivia for anyone wants to go back and look: what's the name of the doctor who treated Sheryl/prepared her reports? ^^
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