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**Klashikari** · 2011-09-28, 01:16

Fighting games having "upgrades" and DLC ad nauseam is to be expected, but why would all of them follow Capcom milking tactics regarding disc iteration?
Hell, even with such moves from capcom, you could upgrade SSIV into AE with a DLC, yet Arc System doesn't provide such thing for extend... I can stomach the changes between CT and CS leading to a new disc, but CS and CSE? Hardly.

SilverSyko · 2011-09-28, 01:49

They are combining the CT and CS story-lines into one game for this release just so you know. Pretty convenient if you ask me.

And you're exaggerating. Extend's leap isn't a whole lot smaller than CS' was. 3 new characters, re-balancing, new modes and a new storyline for each character minus one was all we got when CS was released. If just that was worth you paying for it then this shouldn't be much different.

Tokkan · 2011-09-28, 02:02

Um... CS added, removed and changed a whole lot of system mechanics from CT.

CS2 of course was far less drastic.

SilverSyko · 2011-09-28, 02:37

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

Um... CS added, removed and changed a whole lot of system mechanics from CT.

That's true, I forgot some fighting mechanics changed as well, but I wouldn't say it'd be something that would entice people to buy a new version of the game compared to new characters or features, especially those who don't play it for the fighting aspect. Hell I didn't even know there was a new one in CS2.

But in the end all this whining really just comes down to money. You don't have to but the game if you don't want to, nobody's forcing anybody to, but do you honestly think not buying it is gonna make ArcSys change their minds about doing this? I don't. They're partially a business so they'll use whatever methods they have of getting money out of their consumers.

I'm perfectly aware of this. Why am I willing to pay? Because ArcSys makes games I like, and it'd be a shame to see them go bankrupt.

Tokkan · 2011-09-28, 02:58

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Originally Posted by SilverSyko

That's true, I forgot some fighting mechanics changed as well, but I wouldn't say it'd be something that would entice people to buy a new version of the game compared to new characters or features, especially those who don't play it for the fighting aspect. Hell I didn't even know there was a new one in CS2.

But in the end this really just comes down to money. You don't have to but the game if you don't want to, nobody's forcing anybody to, but do you honestly think not buying it is gonna make ArcSys change their minds about doing this? I don't. They're partially a business so they'll use whatever methods they have of getting money out of their consumers.

I'm perfectly aware of this. Why am I willing to pay? Because ArcSys makes games I like, and it'd be a shame to see them go bankrupt.

Not my point, you said CS was just new characters and rebalancing. It wasn't. The new system mechanics were why it had to be a new disc, there was no way around it and people were raging because "we're only getting 3 new characters". And you can't please everyone either way, there are tons of people out there who despise digital distribution and refuse to even get DLC.

And personally, I think CSE (or BBEX as the Japanese are abbreviating it) is just not feasible as a DLC, particularly with regards to size limits on the 360.

SilverSyko · 2011-09-28, 03:11

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Originally Posted by Tokkan

Not my point, you said CS was just new characters and rebalancing. It wasn't. The new system mechanics were why it had to be a new disc, there was no way around it and people were raging because "we're only getting 3 new characters". And you can't please everyone either way, there are tons of people out there who despise digital distribution and refuse to even get DLC.

And personally, I think CSE (or BBEX as the Japanese are abbreviating it) is just not feasible as a DLC, particularly with regards to size limits on the 360.

I was originally going to bring up these points as well but I figured it wouldn't have made much a difference to do so. But I do agree with you.

And those last 2 paragraphs weren't directed specifically at you mate, so it doesn't matter if it wasn't your point because I wasn't replying to what you said. I was speaking generally.

Duo Maxwell · 2011-09-28, 04:54

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Originally Posted by SilverSyko

But in the end all this whining really just comes down to money. You don't have to but the game if you don't want to, nobody's forcing anybody to, but do you honestly think not buying it is gonna make ArcSys change their minds about doing this? I don't. They're partially a business so they'll use whatever methods they have of getting money out of their consumers.

If they stop updating the old game, I'm forced to buy the new one if I want to play against people around the world.

Kurosu · 2011-09-28, 08:25

Oh hey, so for once I made the right choice way back when I sold my Continuum Shift the moment I heard of this games existence. Not happy about it though, I don't want this to turn into Capcom, but it's the first time, so we shouldn't jump off the rails yet.
Look at it this way, they have to account for the people who didn't get the previous dlc, and it would be too complicated to do as separate dlc, it would have to be one package.

Westlo · 2011-09-28, 08:33

How are ASW turning into Capcom when they were arguably worst than Capcom at doing this with Guilty Gear?

Kurosu · 2011-09-28, 10:57

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Originally Posted by Westlo

How are ASW turning into Capcom when they were arguably worst than Capcom at doing this with Guilty Gear?

That wasn't really my point, but fair enough. Let's not have this turn into Guilty Gear then.

Shadow5YA · 2011-09-28, 12:07

Not sure what to think about that Noel music app. On one hand, a dancing Noel could be nice to see...

Tong · 2011-09-28, 12:25

Let's see who's greedy, I will use points for each:

Street Fighter 4 series:
SF4: Vanilla, first game, disc
SSF4: News menus, characters from previous versions+ new ones, rebalance. requires new disc, replay channel. 4 points
SSF4AE: New characters, rebalance, (free) patch and disc, updated replay channel. 4 Points
SSF4AE2012: Rebalance, 1 point.
Total: 9 Points

Blazblue series:
CT: first game, blabla
CS: Disc, new characters (some DLC), rebalance, new menus, completely new story mode, new modes. 6 Points
CS2: Free rebalance patch, new character, new modes for PSP. 2 Points
CSEX: Disc, new character and ALL previous ones, new story modes, rebalance. 3 Points
Total: 11 Points

There you go.

xBTAx · 2011-09-28, 14:10

Didn't the SSF4>SFF4AE patch cost money? Or was it just to get the new characters?

Also, why does SSF4 only have 4 points while CS, a new game with a lot more new things, have 6 points?

Tong · 2011-09-28, 17:15

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Originally Posted by xBTAx

Didn't the SSF4>SFF4AE patch cost money? Or was it just to get the new characters?

Also, why does SSF4 only have 4 points while CS, a new game with a lot more new things, have 6 points?

Because I'm fair.

How come a new Interface isnt important? It's just aesthetics but counts.
SSF4 new mode were crap, how can you compare breaking a car with Legion mode, or Abyss mode?

Duo Maxwell · 2011-09-28, 20:31

Your point is confusing. Did you mean who has higher point is the greedier one?

Kurosu · 2011-09-28, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Duo Maxwell

Your point is confusing. Did you mean who has higher point is the greedier one?

I think his point was the one with the higher points has more value to their re-releases.

SonOfHeaven · 2011-09-28, 21:21

Not really hyped for BBCS extend. Don't really play BBCS anymore due to MvC3 and other games. With UMvC3, KOFXIII(Great game with good features packed in worth $50) and Gundam extreme vs around the corner. Don't see myself buying this with these fighters coming out.

kenjiharima · 2011-09-28, 22:29

all I know is that we're getting another BB installment with a new character. Only one? Hmm...probably not.

germanturkey · 2011-09-28, 22:45

yeah... dunno if i'm going to hop onto this train. from what i've seen, they're making /\ WORSE... just depends on the price i guess. if its reasonable (20 bucks? who are we kidding..) i'll buy it.

Duo Maxwell · 2011-09-28, 22:52

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Originally Posted by germanturkey

yeah... dunno if i'm going to hop onto this train. from what i've seen, they're making /\ WORSE... just depends on the price i guess. if its reasonable (20 bucks? who are we kidding..) i'll buy it.

Balancing isn't my main concern (heck, I got through BBCS Rachel, why would I be afraid of anything else?), but the ability to play against people who don't buy the newest version, and if CT -> CS is in any indication, they are going to screw all the color pack I bought.

2011-09-28, 01:16	Link #2261
Klashikari 阿賀野型3番艦、矢矧 Lv180 Graphic Designer Moderator Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Belgium, Brussels Age: 37	Fighting games having "upgrades" and DLC ad nauseam is to be expected, but why would all of them follow Capcom milking tactics regarding disc iteration? Hell, even with such moves from capcom, you could upgrade SSIV into AE with a DLC, yet Arc System doesn't provide such thing for extend... I can stomach the changes between CT and CS leading to a new disc, but CS and CSE? Hardly. __________________ [Sig art: Kagura Yuu, Nunukko, Maku Rako & Mishima Kurone] / [Twitter]

2011-09-28, 01:49	Link #2262
SilverSyko Okuyasu the Bird Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Alberta, Canada Age: 32	They are combining the CT and CS story-lines into one game for this release just so you know. Pretty convenient if you ask me. And you're exaggerating. Extend's leap isn't a whole lot smaller than CS' was. 3 new characters, re-balancing, new modes and a new storyline for each character minus one was all we got when CS was released. If just that was worth you paying for it then this shouldn't be much different. __________________

2011-09-28, 12:25	Link #2272
Tong Many RPGs, Little Time Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: BR Age: 32	Let's see who's greedy, I will use points for each: Street Fighter 4 series: SF4: Vanilla, first game, disc SSF4: News menus, characters from previous versions+ new ones, rebalance. requires new disc, replay channel. 4 points SSF4AE: New characters, rebalance, (free) patch and disc, updated replay channel. 4 Points SSF4AE2012: Rebalance, 1 point. Total: 9 Points Blazblue series: CT: first game, blabla CS: Disc, new characters (some DLC), rebalance, new menus, completely new story mode, new modes. 6 Points CS2: Free rebalance patch, new character, new modes for PSP. 2 Points CSEX: Disc, new character and ALL previous ones, new story modes, rebalance. 3 Points Total: 11 Points There you go. __________________

2011-09-28, 20:31	Link #2275
Duo Maxwell A Proud Lolicon Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: In front of my computer Age: 37	Your point is confusing. Did you mean who has higher point is the greedier one? __________________

2011-09-28, 21:21	Link #2277
SonOfHeaven Metal Gear!? Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tampa	Not really hyped for BBCS extend. Don't really play BBCS anymore due to MvC3 and other games. With UMvC3, KOFXIII(Great game with good features packed in worth $50) and Gundam extreme vs around the corner. Don't see myself buying this with these fighters coming out. __________________

2011-09-28, 02:02	Link #2263
Tokkan Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Australia Age: 35	Um... CS added, removed and changed a whole lot of system mechanics from CT. CS2 of course was far less drastic.

2011-09-28, 08:25	Link #2268
Kurosu KORA!! Scanlator Join Date: May 2009 Age: 32	Oh hey, so for once I made the right choice way back when I sold my Continuum Shift the moment I heard of this games existence. Not happy about it though, I don't want this to turn into Capcom, but it's the first time, so we shouldn't jump off the rails yet. Look at it this way, they have to account for the people who didn't get the previous dlc, and it would be too complicated to do as separate dlc, it would have to be one package.

2011-09-28, 08:33	Link #2269
Westlo Lets be reality Join Date: May 2007	How are ASW turning into Capcom when they were arguably worst than Capcom at doing this with Guilty Gear?

2011-09-28, 12:07	Link #2271
Shadow5YA Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010	Not sure what to think about that Noel music app. On one hand, a dancing Noel could be nice to see...

2011-09-28, 14:10	Link #2273
xBTAx Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2009	Didn't the SSF4>SFF4AE patch cost money? Or was it just to get the new characters? Also, why does SSF4 only have 4 points while CS, a new game with a lot more new things, have 6 points?

2011-09-28, 22:29	Link #2278
kenjiharima Mizore-chan Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Moe Land Age: 43	all I know is that we're getting another BB installment with a new character. Only one? Hmm...probably not. __________________ Vampire+Sisters

2011-09-28, 22:45	Link #2279
germanturkey Udon-YAAAAAAAA Join Date: Jan 2008 Age: 35	yeah... dunno if i'm going to hop onto this train. from what i've seen, they're making /\ WORSE... just depends on the price i guess. if its reasonable (20 bucks? who are we kidding..) i'll buy it. __________________ Aria is the best series EVER. Rewatch Origination with me. Blessed are those who listen to headphones, for they listen to the sound of heaven.