2011-01-23, 10:53 | Link #2101 |
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"Is it because you don't really love me?"
This is the statement of either complete naivete or purposeful manipulation. In this day and age that's not really something you should even say because it is an unfair appeal to emotion that unfairly puts the one you ask at a practically no-win situation. The mere fact that he used such a question to convince her to do it with him already casts doubt on his true intentions; that anyone who would use such directly meaning proposal to convince someone should at least suggest that that he at least KNOWS the weight of his words and just what kind of outcome a very unfair and downright cunning move . In certain respects I'd think he intended to use such a line on her anyway, which again, casts a shadow on his intentions. For me, the mere fact that he had to manipulate her by using such a cliched yet effective line that by now everyone knows would have some sort of effect towards getting what you want already casts doubt on the purity of his intentions.
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2011-01-23, 10:55 | Link #2102 | |
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A kind of foil contrast to Yuki, to show the general and popular attitude toward sex... especially for the first time. Also that women are under pressure to "get it over with and prove her womanliness" also. It is like, getting rid of an annoying hangnail. Thing is, Toru ought to know and feel this since he was with her his whole life, that Yuki was not in a rush. They had TIME But for the young to concept of time is poorly developed. In the end, Toru, was the weak link and he allowed the other boys to break him. Last edited by Zetsubo; 2011-01-23 at 11:12. |
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2011-01-23, 11:04 | Link #2105 | |
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Toru, just wanted to prove himself to "other men" None of whom were his true friends. They were individuals full of envy. If they were, Toru's true friends, they would NEVER have let Yuki know of the bet and video. MORE importantly, they would have never "required" proof or set it up so that they could obtain proof. The treachery was a 2 layer pyramid. Yuki betrayed by Toru: Toru betrayed by the gang. |
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2011-01-23, 11:11 | Link #2106 | |
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She wouldn't be his "savior" the typical strong female muse. So out goes the plot The fun is in watching him grow a backbone... from experience. They say experience teaches wisdom. Lots of young guys out their need to read about a "weak male lead" who grows a pair to give them hope. Anyway, it takes a woman to turn a boy into a man and vice versa. Right of passage, yada yada yada. |
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2011-01-23, 11:20 | Link #2107 | |
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They wont get back together. The tension will come from the process of catharsis For Yuki and toru plot line, the point is about closure. You cant bring up a characters painful past and not give it adequate treatment. It is just bad story telling. She has to encounter Toru. She has to face those demons. Good story telling demands it. She ran from her home in shame, to live with her aunt, but in the end, running hardly solves problems. Notice how Utsum loves to run away ? Well Yuki isn't really different. Toru either. So, where is the closure ? Where do all the characters gain courage ? By facing each other and burning away all that painful scar tissue. The author knows this, also We have to see it. Good story telling. |
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2011-01-23, 11:27 | Link #2108 |
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Well, I don't know but only blaming Yuki for the incident is kind of weird, isn't it? Why couldn't Yuki be more defensive at the time and not letting down her guard at all? But Touru could have stopped the tragedy from happening by withdrawing from the bet with the boys, e.g. because he really loved Yuki (e. g. with "This is going too far, I will never do something that would hurt the girl I trully love, get lost, guys" (in chapter 66 in a flashback he said he loves Yuki more than anyone else). Obviously it has something to do with what he said to Yuki in the flashback in chapter 49: "do you see me as a man". Perhaps to Touru it has nothing to do with the money, maybe it's for him a test to prove that he's a man when he's not a virgin anymore after "deflowering" Yuki, he's seeking for attention and recognistion from the boys, while the boys gladly made abuse of the whole situation and saw an opportunity to make money and destroy someone's life.
Look at Touru's face when he's asking Yuki to do "it", he didn't even look straight into her face/eyes when he said that he loves her more than anyone else, he's obviously lyng about something, he's not honest at the time. Why? Because he couldn't possibly look straight into her face/eyes since he's going to do some despicable thing to her that will scarce her for life. Perhaps Touru is this kind of guy, a coward who needed these kind of friends who told him that he's a man after some test of "courage". A pretty face does not mean anything, a pretty face can be a coward, and a moron when he did not know what's more important: Yuki or the boys' recognition? I think Touru is fully responsible for the situation since he could have prevented this from happening, but he let the boys toy with him! Whether Touru knew about the hidden camera and that the boys were filming (or not of course) did not matter anymore, because he's playing with Yuki's feeling, trust and love for him by agreeing with the boys to bet that he could seduce Yuki and "do" her. |
2011-01-23, 11:34 | Link #2109 | |
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2011-01-23, 11:54 | Link #2112 | |
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And so it continues here... "She's at fault because she was so stupid to not insist on a comfy romantic first time!" Such an Otaku way of looking at the world. If she HAD insisted on a perfect first time, the crowd would be demeaning her for being a biotch and she should just get over herself and do it! Either way, the victimized, naive little girl who genuinely was ignorant and wanted to hold onto her friend and first love is at fault for "giving it up too easily". Ah, but she has become what she is now as a consequence. Most people here seem to want to vilify Yuki for being too stringent, but she's the one who has learned from her FIRST bad experience. Getting OVER that experience and moving on is the next step. |
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2011-01-23, 11:57 | Link #2113 |
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It's a fact that sickens me everyday, which is why whenever I read news articles and comments where the blame is placed on victims rather than perpetrators I get the uneasy desire to just throw up in shame.
It's almost like saying people WANT to get raped. It's disgusting.
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I think Sasuga must be enjoying herself if she knows how much power she's having over people's emotions as well. |
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2011-01-23, 15:54 | Link #2116 | |
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2011-01-23, 22:53 | Link #2117 | |
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2011-01-25, 09:34 | Link #2119 | |
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