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Originally Posted by Jimmy C
You know, you should have shown them ep4 before answering if she was going to wish her back to life. The results might have been more interesting.
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What makes you think I didn't? True, there were some who really didn't watch it, but their words were mirrored by those I did get to watch. Nearly everyone who I got to watch it, asked me almost the same question: "Why doesn't she just wish Mami back?"
It's a valid question, and no amount of handwaving will make it go away, sorry.
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I said it before and I'll say it again, ep4 neatly overrode "could she?" with "she won't." You refuse to accept that, your choice. But I'll bring it up every time you bring this up.
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Your own personal hypothesis and worldview has it this way, but regardless of what you may think,
it wasn't brought up in the show itself. And you refuse to accept that. Whether or not she actually tries to wish Mami back is almost irrelevant; it should have been something on her mind.
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As for wishing away all the witches, previously I already mentioned how Kyubei selects his contractees and how they're unlikely to make such a wish.
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Sorry, you have no evidence to support such a hypothesis. In fact, since Kyube specifically approached Madoka, someone who didn't know what to wish for at all, pretty much negates this. Someone who doesn't know what to wish for, is pretty much a wild card. Indeed, given Madoka's nature, from a logical perspective, her making a wish to benefit other people would have had to be have been considered as a possibility.
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Do I have to repeat myself again? As for Madoka specifically, everyone's been asking her to wish for something that would benefit herself. That almost certainly steered her away from such a grandiose wish at the start. But should she have tried to make such a wish prior to Mami's death, Kyubei could have steered her away with a rather simple argument.
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And this whole bit is negated because Sayaka did talk to them about making a wish to benefit someone other than herself. What were the responses? "Be careful about how you phrase it." They didn't attempt to talk her out of it, really, just let her know how dangerous it could be.
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After ep 9, she knows simply "wishing away all witches" isn't going to work.
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And yet, that's pretty much what she does.
Look, you have some interesting conjecture, and some theories that work for you. That's great! Whatever floats your boat and allows you to rationalize things that aren't stated.
But recognize that they aren't stated, and that quite a few people have issues with the fact that very few things are stated. Reread Klash's posts again.
Yes, you could say I thought of ways it couldn't work... because I tried thinking of ways it didn't. Let me give you an example of how speculating and assuming something that isn't stated, gets you into trouble.
Remember Homura and her killings of Kyube? Remember how we initially thought she should have known trying to kill him in this timeline wouldn't work, because she did it before? We made up the explanation that, "Well, maybe episode 1 was the first time she tried to kill him, thus she wouldn't know he could respawn." This is an example of all your theories, and how you reasoned things out, despite it not being shown.
And then we are shown that she killed Kyube before and that another took his place, which put us right back into the problem of why Homura would try to kill Kyube because she knows it wouldn't work... because she tried in a previous timeline!
So, make up all the theories that you like, that allow you to connect the dots. I'm pretty sure that's what Gen is counting on, for his fans to rationalize every potential issue away so he doesn't have to attempt to explain things himself. You're welcome to rationalize, but understand not everyone is going to agree to do the same.
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Originally Posted by synaesthetic
@Kaijo: rofl what.
Comparing Puella Magi Madoka Magica and Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha is about as nonsensical as comparing Neon Genesis Evangelion with Tengen Toppa Gurren Lagann.
Apples and oranges, for serious. They couldn't possibly be more opposite!
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Sorry, Syn, normally I appreciate your responses, but perhaps you weren't entirely clear on what I was doing; I was comparing them on the basis of stories that rely on conveniences or stupidity to advance. That's pretty much how you can compare any two stories, no matter how different. Do they have a plot? Does it advance via convenience and stupidity?
Or do you feel that nothing can ever be compared with anything else, and thus "analogy" isn't actually a word? Would you like to attend a literature class and tell the professor than no stories can ever be compared?
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She wasn't going to think like you do--Madoka isn't a reader, she's a character and she doesn't have the same knowledge you do.
You can't expect the protagonist of a story to have meta-knowledge of the plot!
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We don't need hyperbole, Syn. Of course I don't expect her to have meta-knowlege of the plot... I do expect her to add 1+1. No matter how grief stricken, your math skills don't suddenly just leave you, do they? Do you stop breathing? Do you forever shut down your brain and never have a more complex thought then eat, sleep, and poop?
Tell me, what do you think of a character that is 14 years old, has been through school... and can't add 1+1?
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