2010-02-26, 16:32 | Link #5861 | |
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Nevertheless, your assumption is very interesting. I always think it was weird Hayate got an older brother, so it makes sense. Moreover, we can assume into the Royal Garden, time is not passing at the same pace. Indeed, the first time Hayate go out, A-tan told him he cannot imagine how long she was waiting for him, while Hayate did not understand because he left only for a day. We can also guess than if a stone is required to enter into the Royal Garden, a stone is alsoo required to leave it. In that case, it is not impossible Hayate's Bro (or maybe, Hayate older) is still there for ten years ... But I do not think so, because it looks more likely that Nagi's mother used that stone to enter into the Royal Garden after A-tan and Hayate's Bro left. And IMO, Midas lost his arm when Hayate's Bro helped A-tan leaving the Royal Garden. In that case, it will be clear that Hayate's Bro and Hayate are the same character, because a Noble Spirit cannot be wrong about that. At last, what about Mikado Sanzenin? This geezer is incredible and his power looks limitless (and not only his wealthness). On the other hand, this manga is a comedy, so everything is possible The more I look at A-tan, the more she looks cute! |
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2010-02-26, 16:33 | Link #5862 | |
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2010-02-26, 20:09 | Link #5864 | |
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2010-02-27, 01:48 | Link #5867 | |
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I'm sure her reasons to want to return to the RG must be linked to her family.
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2010-02-27, 08:20 | Link #5869 |
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I'll probably run fairly solo in here, but I'll say it anyway: So far, I have difficulties caring about the whole Royal Garden substory. Which is a bad thing, because it's obviously supposed to be so central, but... I REALLY have difficulties dredging up curiosity about it. Because it feels so very much unrelated to the rest of the show.
For a dozen tankoubons, the story in HnG develops around a core of characters. And all of a sudden - unrelated to essentially everything else - the End of the World arc begins with an entirely new character Athena, with only Hayate as known character. Feels very much like an alternate universe kind of substory. Even now, when Hata tries to interweave this Arc with the rest of the story, but the connection to the core cast (Nagi, Maria, Hina, Ayumu, Sakuya, Isumi) is essentially nonexistent. I suspect that first there needs to be a bigger explanation for me why I should care... *shrugs shoulders sadly* |
2010-02-27, 09:29 | Link #5870 |
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It's not a problem that you don't care. Just believe in yourself. ^.^
Anyway, the original title of HnG is the "Royal Garden." Nagi character was made from Athena, and they were planned to be the same character until some problems occurred with the age differences which made Hata introduced Athena as a whole new character. Rather than a sub-story, it's more like the main story of HnG. |
2010-02-27, 11:09 | Link #5871 | |
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2010-02-27, 11:18 | Link #5872 | |
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Maria remains a big mystery. We have no idea why Mikado took her in, and personally, I'm not buying the "we just happened to find her under a statue of the Virgin Mary" story. She also seems to know Athena. In addition to this, she's Nagi's surrogate mother. Hina will definitely be tied to this story, somehow, even if she shouldn't be. She's just far too popular amongst the fans, Hata cannot simply leave her out. Ayumu and Sakuya have never played large roles in the story, no matter how much I love them. I'm sure they'll remain the same way. Isumi is the magical girl, and she seems somewhat tied to the RG story already. So, I wouldn't say they'll be left out. However, at the same time, if Hata plans to keep Athena as a regular character, and perhaps a main one, then she needs this much exposure. I'm sure everything will end up tied, somehow, in the end.
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2010-02-27, 11:41 | Link #5873 | |
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I think the waiting has to do with the right time for Athena's introduction, and it was done beautifully. The story about Royal Garden was planned from the beginning. http://www.mangafox.com/manga/hayate...er/c001/9.html Edit: Rather than said the main story, maybe I should have said the main plot of the story? Last edited by zodanhko; 2010-02-27 at 11:55. |
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Now the current arc had a better set up from the get go, and had more interactions from the other characters (Hina, Nagi and Isumi had the most prominence in this arc as Used Can pointed out, while the rest of the cast always had the supporting characters label ably to their foreheads for a long time now (unfortunately)). What I think Hata is trying to do is that he is gradually tying the Royal Garden sub-plot with the main plot with thin threads every step of the way, which seems to work fine thus far (ofc we have to gloss over the inconstancy that this arc gave us, but I want to wait to see how will all of this will wrap up before I bring that up) Whether he succeeds in doing so remains to be seen. Right now, I personally think that the arc on its own has been very enjoyable and may just earn a solid ''7'' from me if it manages to end right. Quote:
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And the plot isn't going to change. All of the Royal Garden storyline going to do is introduce Hayate's brother and give additional back story. It isn't going to hijack the plot.
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2010-02-27, 13:20 | Link #5875 | ||
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The story of the HnG had always about a butler and his mistress, and that fact hasn't change from when it was first planned. And neither was the important of the RG which took 30 chapters, the longest arc yet, and still continuing. Quote:
Sure, there will be more comedy and harem interactions in the future with fillers comedy chapters about Tama, Klaus, etc, etc. But I won't call that a stable or important plot. Mikado's plan and the Power of God including the return to the RG will be playing a role in future chapters. Who is the final boss whom everyone's pondering about? |
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2010-02-27, 14:01 | Link #5876 | ||
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Personally, I absolutely loved the mood of EotW, even if it was darker and more dramatic than anything that came before it. I loved the fairy tale atmosphere. And I especially loved Athena. She was officious without being a bitch, fun while still being tragic. Watching the two of them, even though they were just kids, made me feel really warm. As I read the series, Athena was what I had been waiting for--someone Hayate was actually interested in. She allowed us to see a broader picture of Hayate through his interaction with her, especially in the Athens arc currently. After two hundred chapters of girls throwing themselves at him, and Hayate being "DERP" about it, it was extremely refreshing to me to see a mutual relationship begin to take form. This isn't to say I expected what we seem to be getting. After Hayate saved Athena, I fully expected the plot to whisk her offstage. What's between Hayate and Athena definitely reads as a Love Story, and so I expected a Love Story-esque end with Hayate and Athena smiling at one another bittersweetly, with the knowledge that "it'll never work out". Her sitting beside him and explaining her story while looking up at the stars with him for one last night. That sort of thing, you know? Not Athena settling into his lap and the two of them flirting and hugging while blushing. So I'm pleasantly surprised, and hope this speaks of Athena's integration into the plot further. Watching the two of them makes me happy. I feel like they're the best couple we've seen so far, because they're both mutually invested in one another, and they make each other more interesting together than they are necessarily separately. I'm still bracing for that bittersweet goodbye, but I'm hoping for something else. Quote:
This type of arc is the arc everyone was talking about, where Hayate is forced to choose between Nagi and someone he genuinely loves? This was that arc. Anything that comes after it along those lines is going to seem like a retread if Hata isn't careful. It also tells us that romance really isn't the end game--which is an excellent move on Hata's part, as it allows him to extend the series while still allowing the characters to progress.
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If you really want to view 160 lead character as "side story", be my guest. In this case I have to say that so far I fail to be interested in the main story. |
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2010-02-27, 15:14 | Link #5880 |
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I think the Hakuou chapters were beginning to drag more, honestly, since the characters were in a holding pattern and he seemed to be running out of gags. At least adding a plot allows for more than "have one allotted romantic moment with [insert girl here] that won't actually change or further a damn thing, rinse and repeat."
For example, I found Hinagiku to be pretty self absorbed and sort irritating once they reached Athens in a lot of respects, but overall, I liked the conclusion the story put forth for her and I feel that she'll probably grow as a character from all this. I know Nagi definitely did.
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