2013-04-22, 02:23 | Link #1021 |
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I will just say this. What the heck was Bellow people firing at the pirates in ep 2? BB gun? Water gun?
She said she want to teach the pirates that they have to risk their life to rob her. Then wth wrong with Ledo eliminate them? Is his killing any different than when Bellow people kill pirate with gun? |
2013-04-22, 02:35 | Link #1022 |
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Ledo didn't even give them the chance to retreat though. It's not as if he shot 1 enemy(or several) and then threatening them before annihilating all of them if the warning is disregarded. No, he just fly above, and bam, vaporize them all(save a few survivor although how the hell that pirate survive is still a big mystery) without warning whatsoever.
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2013-04-22, 02:46 | Link #1023 |
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Episode 3 was a little bit of a letdown for me. Personally, I think they took their "non-violence" stance a little too far (although there were a few legitimate points regarding escalation prevention). But most importantly, when someone shoots at you, you shoot back.
I don't understand why Gargantia would be willing to risk their own people, rather than wiping out the pirates before any casualties occur on their end (which clearly did, as several of their ships were out of commission by the end of the fight). |
2013-04-22, 03:23 | Link #1024 |
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My main question regarding this episode is this: if the expected result is the same (driving out the pirates with Chamber’s help) then why in layers of hell did the Gargantian leaders not ordering Ledo & Chamber to just go attacking the enemy and disable all their weapons ASAP and scare those pirates enough to pull back? Two or three pirates can get killed in the process which doesn’t make it excessive, just like how the Gargantians want. All those properties (and lives?) lost on Gargantia’s side during the battle are really really unnecessary and can be easily avoided with very minimal casualties. *sigh* IMO what we get in this episode is such a stupid strategy by those Gargantian leaders -_-
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2013-04-22, 03:34 | Link #1026 | |
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It's a kid's show (as in 6-18) after all. Whether or not it's watched by kids is less relevant than the message it conveys. You see the Galactic Alliance being driven close to extinction and out of that desparation those humans seemingly forgo compassion and the moral values concerning taking another life - Ledo: "'Thank you'... what a peculiar phrase." This is in constrast to the liberal, care-free lives the Gargantians lead (with the occasional pirate incursions) hence their higher, or as some would prefer, naive, sense of morality. As is the case with many anime shows, it presents an idealistic worldview which people i.e. youngsters are expected to strive for. So just bear this in mind, it's prime time anime. |
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2013-04-22, 03:36 | Link #1027 |
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Amy's first words set the tone for this episode, and my overall disappointment in it. So sick of the passive 'moral high ground' bs I see in a lot of anime. Was sick of it 25 years ago, and I'm sick of it now...
And ontop of that, in the beginning of the episode where they are discussing what to do with him, they act like they have some kind of power to resist him if they had to 'deal with him'. Hello, Did you not see what he did to the Pirates? You people are morons. You can't decide to hand him over to the pirates, or dump him overboard and take his mecha. -facepalms- At least the second half of the episode went okay. Wonder how many of the good guys were killed in that battle though, and if it was worth the price for not letting Ledo do what he could do...
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2013-04-22, 04:01 | Link #1028 | |
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The only thing to really rub me wrong this episode was how the commanders of the Gargantian fleet kept acting like they had the power to dispose of Ledo, or rob him of his mecha. Even Ridget acted like this was an option, even though she had already surmised Ledo as capable of annihilating their fleet. In that scene they should have been shocked at his display of power, and afraid and confused as to how deal with him, which would segue well into Bellow's private conversation with him, and her forcing their hand to negotiate with him in order to secure his allegiance, against the pirates. On another note, I'm starting to recognize some character archetypes that will drive the plot. The fleet commanders' reluctance to consider and acknowledge things incompatible with their established world-view and traditions will probably be the main driving point of tragedy in the show. Two commanders especially (the balding, blue/violet clad man, and the heavy-set, blond, gold/red clad man) appear very prideful, set in their traditions and eager to maintain their position of power. I predict they will betray the fleet and bring about considerable tragedy. |
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And the result is not the same. If Gargantian leaders did what I said in my previous post, they’ll have flawless victory without massacring the pirates. What happened in the actual anime is Gargantian’s victory but with unnecessary loss due to idiocy imo. Quote:
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Just consider, suppose you have an alien fleet arriving at Earth. Would the world governments tremble in fear or would they want to maintain the status quo and work sensibly on how to deal with this potential threat by keeping a cool head and assess just what they're capable and not capable of achieving with what they have at their disposal? Just because something foreign to you has displayed a God-like power doesn't mean you would lose all perceptions of reality and revolve your actions around appeasing that "God". |
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2013-04-22, 04:54 | Link #1031 | |
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On the writing of the logic of war is just another form of negotiation it reminded me of how Japan wanted to negotiate with the US with war, particularly their doctrine of decisive battle. It was never the intention of the Japanese empire to destroy the US but to gain glory, recognition and expansion. Like the Russo-Japanese war. But Japan made one big mistake. Japan forgot to restraint themselves causing atrocities. With that generation's militarization and propaganda they forgot even the ancient samurai they idolize show mercy to those that surrender. They crossed the line a lot of times. It would not end in a negotiated peace as they planned but the US and allies won't take anything else than unconditional surrender. It is no longer just business as it is personal. Last edited by ReddyRedWolf; 2013-04-22 at 05:11. |
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2013-04-22, 05:06 | Link #1032 | |
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In that first scene they act as if Ledo's power, which they now have irrefutable evidence of, has no effect whatsoever on their ability to decide what do with him. Bellows, however, acknowledges his power and determines it could make him a threat, so acting like the only rational individual, she decides to inquire about his motives: what does he want, and how does this affect them? Upon acquiring these motives, she (apparently lacking the xenophobia the commanders exhibit) judges Ledo and the fleet compatible and capable of coexistence with mutual benefits. She then manages to overcome the commanders' incompetence by forcing their hand, and in so doing at least delays the tragedy I suspect they will eventually bring about anyway. Bellows was the most important hero of this episode, and I'm positive the commanders will manage to kill her off at some point in the future. Yep, but at least he was conservative. He probably could have disabled the entire pirate fleet within a minute if he used his weaponry, which would have been far more newsworthy than a flying mecha with a lot of engine power, engaging in melee combat. |
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2013-04-22, 06:01 | Link #1034 | |
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2013-04-22, 06:03 | Link #1035 |
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A Yunboro that is able to fly, un-penetrable armor (so far), have the firepower to disable dozens of ships like it was nothing and the aforementioned (beyond) powerful engine already made Chamber more than newsworthy. Being able to “disable the entire pirate fleet within a minute” will only adds the intensity of the news. In short, Ledo & Chamber already drew attention whether or not they’re being “conservative”. Hiding Chamber’s true powers further isn’t worth the lost suffered by Gargantia imo.
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2013-04-22, 06:15 | Link #1036 | |
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2013-04-22, 06:19 | Link #1037 |
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Hmmm just watched third episode...
It look like they don't want him to killed them so they don't come back for blood since if you killed some brother his brother will try to kill you even though he know he can't win >>> suicide attack but if you just scare them to run than they will run away and don't attack you back since it's not worth it (They didn't lose anyone so no need for unreasonable revenge + they will lose more equipments/ supplies if they attack them again) |
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Yea sure, as though the "military" factions of their own would just cower in fear of Gargantia. No, they will very likely want a piece of Chamber's ass (tech) for themselves. |
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2013-04-22, 06:25 | Link #1039 | |
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They've been shown to only ever considering two things: -Cool mecha, let's rob him! ie. blond guy -You don't exist, go away! The captain with his refusal to communicate directly, when Ledo first communicated the first thing he asked for was to speak with the one in charge. The officers seem to take insult at having to face Ledo. |
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