2018-07-18, 11:34 | Link #1921 |
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If trumpo was a normal president what you say might make sense. But this are not normal times where whatever the president does will have an effect on the average person. Not taking a stand is tantamount to complicity, because "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing." and yes, I do mean Donald Trump is evil, you do not need to kill people with your own hands to be worthy of said label.
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2018-07-18, 12:08 | Link #1922 | |
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That aside, most accusations like yours are often even more based on either delusions or "grim predictions of the future", i.e. things that didn't even happen, "yet" or ever, than things that actually happened. But OK, I'll bite for a moment. What concretely did Trump do that warrants the label of "evil"? Please only name concrete things that verifiably happened, not "(conspiracy) theories" or "interpretations of events" or "intuition".
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2018-07-18, 12:37 | Link #1923 |
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Since trumpo took office he has systematically attacked the institutions upon where the state is built. This is exactly what hugo chavez and vladimir putin did when they were elected and managed to become dictators for all practical purposes. I know this pretty well because I live in a country which in the 20th century was ruled by a political party dictatorship that had fake elections to claim there was democracy at work. Trump has no respect for democratic countries and feels at home when he is in the company of dictators. But hey, if you are the kind of people that thinks "fascists are not evil" then there is nothing more to add.
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I think it's possible to make the problem worse in some cases when we treat victims as potential criminals and as we can see in this thread, blaming them for what happened to them because it's easier to do that than to think of the problem. I mean, every situation is different. What I did might have worked for me, but I can't use it as a blanket solution because I can imagine many cases where the wrong combination of shit would have gotten another person shot if they tried the same thing. I mean, I went to a suburban school that was relatively safe and had some teachers that were looking out for me. I mean you may stand up to a bully and I admit sometimes aggression is the best method, because it seems most people are too afraid to get physical and often this ends but then the next day the mofo brings his crew and.... well, this isn't a shounen anime. Which brings up the other thing. How many bullies also become school shooters? I dunno about that, but I bet a bunch end up being violent criminals. Is that really the kind of thing we want kids to get tangled with? In adult life, you don't have to deal with sociopaths. You just call the police. But in school, I've seen that shit where they just do nothing about it or maybe they get tossed in the criminal system which does no better. Can't really win it seems. Quote:
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2018-07-18, 13:05 | Link #1925 | ||
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I counter with the fact that Trump has in many subjects a stance of decentralization of power, like leaving things, that used to be decided by the federal government, up to the individual states instead. A dictator would do the opposite, i.e. centralize power as much as possible. Quote:
I don't take any attempts at "psychoanalysis from the bench" seriously, but it's something I have seen a lot of people do. And yes, that isn't limited to your side either. I roll my eyes every time people do such a thing against left-wing politicians as well. It almost feels like gambling. People "bet" on what they convinced themselves to believe that other people think, however the consequence of this is nothing but a bad mood, no payout and not even any resolution, since you'll probably never get to truly know if your bet was correct or not in your entire life.
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2018-07-18, 13:32 | Link #1926 | |
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It's the same reason why Rand Paul pretends to oppose Trump but happily serves as lap dog once things get real.
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1) Elections are rarely won by an overwhelming majority. 2) Even those supporting trump can stay home coming november. 3) Most elections are usually won by the undecided voter, which this time around more than likely will not vote for trump and will probably vote AGAINST trump. So yeah, my bet is that coming November the repubs are screwed, unless Putin literally rigs the election for trumpo. Putin has been bolstered after the Helsinki summit and there is no reason to believe that if he can hack the voting machines, he will not since he knows his bitch aka trumpo will not retaliate even if caught. |
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2018-07-18, 15:16 | Link #1928 |
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Trump isn't evil. He's a clown who is tearing down and attacking the institutions of this country. He's making a joke and a mockery of his office. Do any of you honestly think if this was a regular job he was holding that he wouldn't of been fired quite awhile ago for his behavior? If your answer is no, you have a serious disconnect with reality.
While we just ENABLE HIM.
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2018-07-18, 18:33 | Link #1930 |
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You see, Trump wants to be the second coming of Reagan
That's the exact problem. Reaganomics is largely responsible for a of problem we have today. at it also has become a partisan issue. This is another problem. so now we have this scenario Conservative: Trickle down economics! Leftist: No, that's literally killing people. Conservative: It totally does work. Anyone that says otherwise is fake news Democrat: How about we compromise? We'll only exploit the working class subtlety instead of overtly Leftist; NO! THAT'S LITERALLY KILLING PEOPLE Democrat: I don't like your tone. That' s uncivil Conservative: You see, this is why we can't get along with the radical left Leftist: ... |
2018-07-18, 20:29 | Link #1931 | |
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I dunno. I mean Roy Moore was probably a sex offender but it was still a struggle....
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2018-07-18, 21:02 | Link #1932 | |
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AS long we have that "herding/buble mentality" , things only gonna get worst, because everyone want to have a "voice" and boss what others can do or not, is no more a "local laws issue" and peoples doing "justice with they own hands and what they believes is "justice".
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2018-07-19, 13:29 | Link #1934 | |
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But let's be serious here, and both sides are bad but not necessarily equal. SJWs are not the equivalent of ethnonationalist nativists that are supporting interning children because their parents violated laws or are willing to alienate all the rest of the countries of the world or very fine people that run people over during demonstrations.
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2018-07-19, 14:15 | Link #1935 | |
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So it mystifies me to hear such statement coming from someone that has known democracy since birth. From what I read even politicians in high regard nowadays like Lincoln or Kennedy were despised back in the day. |
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2018-07-19, 15:08 | Link #1937 |
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I do not think there is a contradiction. More like, we live in an era where self-evident truths need to be spoken out loud, like "yeah, there is global warming and yeah, the evolution of the species is a scientific fact" and I feel like the bar is getting lowered as we speak (not by you) and that is mystifying.
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them as i told this create all tha chaos, because we have "normal peoples getting under that fire without know what to do because, if they do a single "mistake it can almost cost they lifes ( at last social reputation life). another good exemple which i feel so crazy, currently we had the famous "fat phoby" or fat acceptance or body positivite, this is another SJW cause, which is a group "against trump" which forget which the president which tried to fight against fat was obama trying to make the childrens at school only eat "health food, it was trump which come and take that away saying which all peoples must be "fat' if they want, but now that peoples forget about it and act like trump is they enemy. I'm totally for equality in gender or race and no discrimination" but currently what we are getting from the "SJW" is exactly that, they are not really being different from the peoples they used to fight the racists and sexist peoples), they are using the "same tools" as trying to "reeducate young childrens to hate anything which is not part of they "minority". being really honest sometimes i really feel like the SJW moviments are starting to look pretty much like terrorist like taliban and others because when comes to "brainwash" peoples they are trying to do exactly the samething. and all that crap just help trump keep doing what he wants, because thanks to the internet and media western is become a "hell on earth", instead of making peoples come more "close' is making peoples break more and more apart from each others because we only see the "ugly side" of each others and can't stand to it and ignore anything else from the others.
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It really isn't hard. It doesn't take much time either. But it appears this isn't a skill that is taught at all schools.
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