2013-01-10, 09:25 | Link #221 |
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You guys may not care about the leads but the genre would be much less reviled if the male leads were more like Tomoya Okazaki (who went through SUBSTANTIAL development), Rintarou Okabe or Takeru Shirogane (who's ordeal take its full measure when you play the full Muv Luv trilogy).
Just because viewers are males, it doesn't mean that we can't enjoy an interesting male lead in a harem anime where the harem girls are not just characters but also elements of the lead's soul searching, quest for happiness, etc...
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2013-01-10, 09:47 | Link #222 |
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Like I said, there are exceptions. Clannad was a deep story once After Story kicked in, so of course the lead needs to be interesting. I have not played the Muv-Luv games, but the anime was about the war, not the girls surrounding the the male MC, another exception.
Just saying "harem" is a little too broad since there are different levels and types of it. A story driven show with a harem is usually like this: - male MC has a harem, but the focus is the story. The lead is most likely interesting in some way. A male MC with a harem for the purpose of antics I find to be like this: - male MC has a harem, girls do things out of standard behavior for entertainment (ecchi). Of course there are more and can be combined with each other, I just can't think of any atm. But it depends what kind of harem are we talking about here. A show that has the sole purpose of showing off the male MC's harem? Or a show that is story driven that just so happens to have a harem? (BTW your avatar scares me ) |
2013-01-10, 10:04 | Link #223 | |
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As I said before, anime based on visual novels are very rarely romantic comedies (though they may contain some comedy) and probably shouldn't be called "harem anime". They're usually only "harem" in part due to linear anime story re-construction (where the original game typically had multiple mutually-exclusive romantic routes). Most of the examples of "good male leads" that have been produced are from visual novels. Light novels go both ways on the "romantic comedy" scale, depending in large part on the target demographic. It's probably important to point out again that, in your standard shounen romantic comedy (Love Hina, Ichigo 100%, To Love-Ru, etc.), the male being "donkan" (clueless, particularly when it comes to detecting the feelings of those around him) is part of the comedy routine.
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2013-01-10, 22:14 | Link #227 |
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I didn't refer to myself in that post. However, I don't believe action stuff is the only domain of cool MC's. Badass Pacifist is my sort of thing. I'm actually pretty tired of overpowered MC's right now, unlike when I was younger. There's a reason I hate Kirito's guts.
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2013-01-10, 22:35 | Link #228 | |
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And I don't really find Kirito that impressive either BTW, he has his moments of awesome, but all his strength is just data values. There's no real training behind it at all.
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2013-01-10, 22:38 | Link #229 | |
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2013-01-10, 22:38 | Link #230 |
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Here you go.
Well, at least there IS training behind it. Continously playing VR games for 2 years really does wonders. |
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2013-01-11, 21:50 | Link #233 |
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Now this is one thing I've always struggled with in the anime community, these pointless labels everyone seems dedicated to throwing around without a moment's notice.
I do not consider Clanaad a harem. Is it technically? Sure, but just because it features more than a couple of female leads does not make it a harem in the toxic, generalized sense that anime fans apply the term to. Tomoya Okazaki is a good lead because he's featured in a good story. Don't think of Clanaad as a harem and you'll see that this isn't an odd or special occurrence. You guys use these labels way too loosely... |
2013-01-12, 04:16 | Link #234 |
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I'm actually glad that someone mentioned Demon King Daimao. I casually went through that on Netflix and I actually really liked the main character. It was such a refreshing feeling to watch an anime where the protagonist would normally have been simple-minded and borderline incapable. Instead the MC was intelligent and mature, and capable of handling his situation with tact. It certainly wasn't the best anime, but I give it a lot of credit for having some good characters. The harem was a bit small for supporting cast, but it still fits well enough.
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2013-01-12, 17:36 | Link #237 |
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And what's wrong with paying attention to the girls? While I can understand somewhat why people try to get a sense of the lead's perspective, even if the series has almost no major male characters (like Yuru Yuri), people are still trying to find a male perspective to latch onto. Nine times out of ten, female characters are just as human as anybody else, but it seems like the Western audience doesn't want to focus on their perspective. The fandom ends up reinforcing its own stereotypes.
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Anyway, same question applies to Koicho and Da Capo... or have a thread so that it could be well explain... |
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