2013-02-16, 09:46 | Link #22 |
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I'd be supportive of western-made animation emulating the general style and aesthetics of anime.
The Teen Titans cartoon of several years back was akin to this. So was Avatar the Last Airbender. It would be nice to see more shows in this vein.
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2013-02-16, 11:40 | Link #25 |
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Anime is animation is cartoons is アニメーション is アニメ.
If you really must make distinctions and are throwing a fit then call it "Japanese animation". And be done. In my opinion the word "anime" should not exist in the English language. It'd be like calling Japanese video games "geemu". Screw that. That said, I consider animation commissioned and started in Japan as Japanese. Don't consider who does the grunt work, like Japanese doing inbetweening animation for American studios or Koreans doing Japanese animation work. If it is not initially made in Japan but has a healthy serving of Japanese animation flavor, then it is done in a Japanese style, but still that country's animation. And same goes for Japanese animation that imitates other country's animations, they have a different style but are still Japanese by definition of who created it.' Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt is a Japanese animation done in an American style. Avatar the Last Airbender is an American animation done in a Japanese style. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles is an American animation, period. We ignore the fact that Toei (Japan) did much of its animation. Ghost in the Shell is a Japanese animation, period. We ignore the fact that Dr Movie (South Korea) did much of its animation. And also, styles are not exclusive to countries. Japanese style came from Japan, but anyone in the world can do it, even Japanese. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-02-16 at 12:03. |
2013-02-16, 11:47 | Link #26 |
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In terms of storytelling, I think the closest thing to anime in the US are the Liquid Television series MTV did in the early '90s, notably The Maxx and Aeon Flux -- Madhouse even hired the creator of Aeon Flux to work on Reign the Conqueror.
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"Anime" is much easier to write and say than "Japanese animation" is. So what's wrong with using "anime" as a convenient shorthand for "Japanese animation"? The word "anime" is a very useful word, and it kind of sounds cool, imo. But I agree that Mirai Millennium is anime. Danny Choo being its Director doesn't detract from that at all - Actually, it arguably adds to it, as Choo is obviously a hardcore anime fan.
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Look at other countries, do we see their animation as so "different", so "unique"? Why don't we have special words for Canadian animation, for French animation, for Korean animation? Why is "anime" so different from everyone else's animation?? It's not, and people should stop pretending it is. Yes I agree that "anime" is easier to write, and without prior knowledge of the situation of the fan community I would say that characterizing different country's animation with words from their languages is absolutely fine and really cool. But unfortunately I know about the monkey poo throwing that using the term "anime" so much and no words for other countries inevitably causes. Last edited by Kudryavka; 2013-02-16 at 15:04. |
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Anime is cartoons, they are not different! Last edited by monir; 2013-02-16 at 16:45. |
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2013-02-16, 19:26 | Link #34 |
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lol our answers would end up being the same anyway.
Me: Anime =/= cartoons (how to explain to Japan [which doesn't segregate their anime], that both are different? *shows up a blank paper*). You: Not different. And you could come look at it.
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IMO there is more to it than just differences in animation styles between animes and american cartoons, but it would rather pointless to explain that to you seeing your last few posts. |
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In here, fans (not all) separate them (and no, fans [again, not all] don't want to lump ponies, coyotes, annoying sisters who blow up labs and superheroes with Nanoha, Haruhi, Robotech, etc. ).
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Yes in Japan anime is used for all animation
But outside Japan, anime is a fan term for Japanese animation. No one is saying because you are a fan of Japanese animation you can't also be a fan of animation from other countries but I am specifically a fan of animation from Japan so when I say I am an anime fan I do mean something very specific. and why doesn't other countries get a specific name for their animation well for one thing no one said a special fan name can't be created for French animation, the fact that there isn't is more a reflection of the fans. There is a huge community among fans of Japanese animation. Heck just the sheer volume of Japanese animation compared to other countries is also a factor. Is it any surprise that a special name developed for this.
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Kudryavka, here's the thing - Most adult anime fans don't want to say to their non-anime fan friends that "I'm a hardcore cartoon fan". Like it or not, "cartoon" carries a certain connotation in the west. We don't have to like it, but we do have to live with it.
And saying "I'm a hardcore animation fan" is liable to get responses like "Oh? So you're into the Pixar movies then?" or people thinking you're a poser for using 'animation' instead of 'cartoon'. But if you say "I'm an anime fan", your non-anime fan friends may well read that as being akin to you saying "I'm a fan of foreign films". They'll probably think that makes you eccentric, but hopefully in a neat sort of way. They might even think you're more "cultured" for it, lol.
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Actually I find one calling themselves an anime fan in the West amongst non-anime people tends to evoke one of two reactions more often than not (and these attitudes have barely changed over the last decade):
1. Oh, so you like Pokemon/Naurto/One Piece/DBZ? 2. Oh, so you like hentai... Those are the two commonly held views, from my experience. There aren't that many willing to understand and far less that care. Crispin Freeman once notably mentioned that a decade ago, you could mention recent titles and a good number of people in the West would know what they are, but today, mention recent titles and people are much less likely to know them. I generally find that to be true in the West. But on the flipside, back then was a weaker time for anime sales in Japan and now is their strongest, so no surprise.
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