2013-08-24, 13:19 | Link #642 | |
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Curse the multivoters. Forced the organisers to screw up the voting system to make things fairer.
Ah well. Also, I just noticed. Spoiler for Day 2 remarks:
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2013-08-24, 14:34 | Link #643 | |
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2013-08-24, 15:05 | Link #644 |
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ISML finds and throws away thousands of multivotes every match. It is ISML's policy to accept and count all votes that seems more likely to be legit distinctive human votes, compared to being a multivote by illegitimate means. This means that actual number of votes that have non-negligible chance of being a multivote is even higher, but we choose to not risk rejecting 20 legit votes in order to eliminate 10 multivotes.
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2013-08-24, 15:37 | Link #646 | |
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Also, you have to be careful about the whole thing, lest you run into Emiya Kiritsugu situation near the end of Fate/Zero. If you start banning groups of people for having some bad people among them, you will raise the temptation of other people to cheat, because your 2nd vote will have much greater impact when voter pool is smaller. Soon, you will find that you have to ban another group of people for having some cheaters, again shrinking the voter pool, and thus again increasing the temptation to cheat. Before long, you will end up with only one voter, you yourself.
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2013-08-24, 18:46 | Link #647 |
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In that regard a difference between ISML and AST, which is likely one reason that makes ISML more popular is how they do vote checking.
AST makes the voter do most of the work, by making the vote process all that complicated. While in ISML case is the staff that have to do the most work, resulting in a simple voting process. And the problem with AST mean is that they are punishing all voters because of those who would multivote by making the voting process a hassle and in many cases not even letting people vote
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2013-08-24, 19:49 | Link #648 | |
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I agree, vote totals are appaling - it's even worse than what we remember from two years ago. There is a captcha (using hiragana and katakana) now for code generation. Even so, early on during the prelims, some people here were able to get codes - and I was able to reach a code generation page that told me when to refresh (meaning, I could eventually get one too). So, even though it became more complicated than last time, I'd say we have hope of actually lending support this year. It's a miracle compared to last year's near total ban.
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2013-08-24, 22:04 | Link #649 | |
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About the multivotes thing. Do you think AST will ever think of implementing what ISML is doing?
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2013-08-25, 00:54 | Link #650 | |||
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An example would be the MadoMagi girls, their X% have been a consistent high which ends up netting them 200 votes or more and, as you know already, it makes their chance of not qualifying virtually nil.
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2013-08-25, 01:45 | Link #651 | |||
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EDIT: Lies, you're clearly NBS. :P
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2013-08-25, 03:36 | Link #652 | |||
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Not true. What he said is just a deterrent to other voters like the Chinese etc... You missed out the fact that some native IPs were banned as well this year hence it shrunk. The captcha is perfectly fine now, every J-MMO uses that captcha too so I don't see it as deterring the native voters. The problem I only cannot fathom is why did they block certain native voters. I hope those horribly looking captcha don't come back though. A pain in the ass to deal with them. Quote:
I see myself more of ABM than NBS considering my position. You don't see the threat in Mado girls and like them while I do like Saki girls but I'm not over them(with the exception of the beautiful moe Toki of course ).
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2013-08-25, 06:17 | Link #653 | |
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Now excuse me while I vote for some Saki characters... --------------------- Picks 1-3, Predictions 4-4 A03 Ringo Sugisaki @ Seitokai No Ichizon: <<杉崎林檎@生徒会の一存 Lv.2>> Yozora Mikazuki @ Boku Wa Tomodachi Ga Sukunai: <<三日月夜空@僕は友達が少ないNEXT>> Kukuru Anrakutei @ Joshiraku: <<暗落亭苦来@じょしらく>> A06 Yuu Matsumi @ Saki: <<松実宥@咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A>> Kurumi Tokisaki @ Date A Live: <<時崎狂三@デート・ア・ライブ>> Io Nitta @ Devil Survivor 2: <<新田維緒@DEVIL SURVIVOR2 the ANIMATION>> A09 Kanon Nakagawa @ The World God Only Knows: <<中川かのん@マジカル☆スター かのん100%>> Nanami Aoyama @ Sakurasou No Pet Na Kanojo: <<青山七海@さくら荘のペットな彼女>> Yui Yuigahama @ Yahari Ore No Seishun Love Comedy Wa Machigatteiru:<<由比ヶ浜結衣@やはり俺の青春ラブコメはまちがっている。>> A12 Frenda Seivelun @ A Certain Magical Index: <<フレンダ=セイヴェルン@とある科学の超電磁砲S>> Leviathan @ Zettai Bouei Leviathan: <<レヴィアタン@絶対防衛レヴィアタン>> Toki Onjouji @ Saki: <<園城寺怜@咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A>> |
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2013-08-25, 06:21 | Link #654 | |||
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I think the native voters is because they were used as proxy servers by foreign voters so that's why they got blocked: so the foreigners can't use them. Quote:
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Of course, Saki's existence overrides everything else because I'm ABS. My current situation is because while I support Date A Live, I'm realistic about who are the favourites to win, and I'd rather MadoMagi win than Saki. For example, I'd support a DAL girl over any of the other 4 MadoMagi girls if such a clash comes to pass, but I know that in this case the MadoMagi girl will end up having the right of way because only they can stand up to Saki's strongest. And knowing this, all ABS fans (including myself) will pour their votes into MadoMagi. As a result of this phenomenon, all those who oppose MadoMagi (but not Saki) for any reason will be automatically shafted into NBS.
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2013-08-25, 09:12 | Link #655 |
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Result...
Spoiler for Day 3:
Can't say Frenda didn't try for a quick and dirty assassination...too bad she still leaves behind too many bombs With that, Another 4-0 round brings me to 10-2 overall. And here comes the Group of Death, starting with Lovely My Angel. B01: Pick/Predict: ラブリーマイエンジェルあやせたん B04: Pick/Predict: Subara B07: Pick/Predict: Kuro B10: Pick/Predict: Kumin-Senpai
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2013-08-25, 09:19 | Link #656 |
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Yozora with an solid win. Nanami doesn't really get that close to winning in the end. Yuu looks okay. She wasn't in danger of losing but Kurumi did get closer than I thought she would. Toki on the other hand is nearly taken down in Round 1. Anti-champion votes plus what seems to be an overall Saki decline is really hurting Toki. This is the first time ever, Toki has fallen below 50% of the votes. However, Frenda is pretty cool. I'm hoping she's just surprisingly strong and Toki isn't really that much weaker. Maybe the Railgun fanbase will help Toki to bring Frenda back.
Easy matches for Ayase, Kirame and Kuro today? Ayase is probably the one who benefitted most from Oreimo season 2 and she managed to top her preliminary group. None of her opponents really look that strong. We've got more Saki characters today with Kirame and Kuro trying to net some more wins. Once again, Kirame's opponents don't look too good. Kuro's top competition is Marii and Kuro already beat her by quite a bit in the preliminaries. The match between Rei and Kumin is tougher to call. I unfortunatly don't know much about Rei other than her preliminary performance wasn't quite as good as Kumin. For that reason, I'll choose Kumin. Votes: Aragaki Ayase Hanada Kirame Matsumi Kuro Tsuyuri Kumin Predictions: Aragaki Ayase Hanada Kirame Matsumi Kuro Tsuyuri Kumin
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2013-08-25, 09:49 | Link #657 |
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Nice results. I have always liked Yuu so I'm happy. Toki suffered to win, as TRE has already said, considering the anti-champion votes plus the general weakening (compared to last year) that is affecting Saki, this is not unexpected.
Today, we had the highest participation this year with 534 people voting. This is still lower than the average number of voters last year though. Here is a little table with the number of voters per voting day since the preliminaries until today: Spoiler for Participation:
I think participation will be a little higher when we get to the hotly contested matches like Madoka vs Yukari (with Ako on the same day but on a different match). But on average, so far it is at about 400 voters per day. Maybe it will increase a little if people see that MadoMagi and Saki are beatable and we have a fierce competition on the later rounds of the tournament. Anyway, my hopes for today are Subara (awesome character plus THAT voice) and Kumin-senpai (not the top Chuu2koi but so cute nonetheless). |
2013-08-25, 10:00 | Link #658 | |||
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YES! ALL THAT MATTERS IS TOKI WINNING. A bit sad that Io didn't even hit 50 votes D:
My votes for today! <<新垣あやせ@俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。>> <<花田煌@咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A>> <<松実玄@咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A>> <<五月七日くみん@中二病でも恋がしたい!>> Quote:
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2013-08-25, 11:10 | Link #660 |
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What is the streak up to now on Madoka characters since Mami won?
B01 Akane Akaza @ Yuru Yuri: <<赤座あかね@ゆるゆり♪♪>> Nene @ Nobuna Oda's Ambition: <<ねね@織田信奈の野望>> Chiho Aikawa @ Yuyushiki: <<相川千穂@ゆゆ式>> Ayase Aragaki @ Ore No Imouto Ga Konna Ni Kawaii Wake Ga Nai: <<新垣あやせ@俺の妹がこんなに可愛いわけがない。>> B04 Nobuna Oda @ Nobuna Oda's Ambition: <<織田信奈@織田信奈の野望>> Akane Isshiki @ Vividred Operation: <<一色あかね@ビビッドレッド・オペレーション>> Kirame Hanada @ Saki: <<花田煌@咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A>> B07 Marii Buratei @ Joshiraku: <<蕪羅亭魔梨威@じょしらく>> Izumi Nijou @ Saki: <<二条泉@咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A>> Kuro Matsumi @ Saki: <<松実玄@咲-Saki- 阿知賀編 episode of side-A>> B10 Rei Kuroki @ Vividred Operation: <<黒騎れい@ビビッドレッド・オペレーション>> Kumin Tsuyuri @ Chuunibyou Demo Koi Ga Shitai!: <<五月七日くみん@中二病でも恋がしたい!>> Mayuri Shiina @ Steins;Gate: <<椎名まゆり@劇場版 STEINS;GATE 負荷領域のデジャヴ>> Tuturu Mayuri desu
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