2007-06-02, 07:33 | Link #221 | |
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Didn't you and Kero-chan agree that all spells are magical in nature~
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Thisguy wasn't very explicit with the info.. no quoting or physical proof. Your theory-damage ain't hurting right now~ As it stands I could say barrier jackets when destroyed cause physical damage and call forth X official-what-not as backing. Your claims are similar but I don't see 100% compatibility~ yet. Still just at theory level. Also, about the jacket. Here's Teana after Nanoha's first volley. (it's the same after the second as well) Spoiler for Pic:
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But certain, if not most, spell have a physical element to it. When I said "Magical Property", I was refering to the parts of the spell that aren't physical. Quote:
He said the information came from the 1st season DVD booklet. Now it's been how many months since then? Wouldn't someone have stood out and claim otherwise if that information is false? Quote:
Barrier jacket's stability are inconsistence, there isn't really a fixed figure on how much punishment it could take. EDIT: @Kha "Hell, it's about time..."
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You summoned me, didn't you? *glances around* Yare, yare. What happened here? I was getting comfortable with the OC and Fanfic thread. AND fighting the tyrannical actions of ODEX, with our operations base here. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Join the war, fellow countrymen! Boycott ODEX!!! For the people who have the right to watch anime from the best source of their choice! For keeping anime alive in S'pore! For God Empress S******* H*****!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ With that aside... *flexes pseudoscience muscles* Let us begin. Quote:
As my lecturer says, "When you tackle a problem, start from First Principles." So we shall focus on magic within a person. Using canon terminology, we know that a person's magical energy (henceforward will be referred to by this poster as mana or MP) is manipulated and concentrated in his/her Linker Core. Whether or not his/her soul resides in that part of the mage remains to be seen. It is a fandom idea that the soul is there btw, just to let you know. But we know that mana doesn't always come from the heart. In fact, it often manifests at the limbs or extremities, or basically where the mage intends to create the spell from. This tells us that there is a system of delivery, a bit like the heart and the arteries and veins that carry our blood around. Assuming that evolutionary parallels exist for such a conduction system (the lymphatic system and the circulatory system are very similar being the base of this assumption), we can say that the Linker Core is the "heart" of the mana conduction system, with invisible, intangible, and very motile mana "circuits" running inside to the outside of the mage, since SB proves that magic can persist outside of the body, and I don't see mages ingesting anything fortified with "mana". The Mana Circuit idea came from Fate/Stay Night and a few other places. Now that we know how mana is moved within and outside of a person, let's move on. Quote:
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This selective damage hints at what happens within the mage when hit by a non-lethal magical attack (NLMA), which will be covered now. It was debated and settled earlier that an AMF does disrupt the mana circuit outside of the Linker Core. But we don't see Erio collapsing from it (The Nanohaverse OC Kha does, but that's because his Linker Core was different) for his mana store is within the dense Linker. Maybe there was a little discomfort as the extra-Core circuits lost power, but with adrenaline pumping, that small disturbance tends to be overlooked. Now let's say we shoot him with 1% of Nanoha's "rubber bullet" variation of Crossfire and we hit him at the spot where Teana was hit, smack at the heart. My expectation is he'll feel somewhat breathless, with some pain. Medically called "Phantom Pain", this pain arises as the body tells him that his magic circuit was under attack. We know that the NLMA attacks magical creations selectively over physical bodies, and so my link is here is that, like how NLMA destroys BJ/KA, it 'destroys' the magical circuit of a Mage. Hit him with the full attack now. What happens? I expect Erio to feel so much pain that he passes out from it, his magic circuit is in total disarray, but his body remains visibly unharmed. The "bruises" we see in the manga excerpt are really just dust from the collapsed training room. Contrast Teana after Nanoha's Crossfire attacks, and after the Signum punch (no sir ree, she HAD to prove she wasn't a submissive uke). Now that's a perfect example of the true effects of magical damage versus physical damage. Seven Arcs should pay me to write their "Technology of Friendship" codex for the Nanohaverse. Look in the OC thread. You love my latest villian. A kamen loli with a big sword to boot. @Teana's "hurt" arm: OK I'm going to reference the earlier debate on BJ presence over immaterial bits. Earlier in this thread, we declared that BJ exist all over the mage as a very dense, next-to-skin, defence of summoned material and protective fielding. Summoned material for the visible bits, dense protective fielding for the "exposed skin" bits. That way Fate was able to survive getting whipped and thrown into concrete with only dust and BJ damage. That spot on Teana's arm is a burnt field. Now I know something sound's wrong with that, but this is parallel'd from the human body: In areas where it is too dense to be removed, impurities remain there indefinitely, especially if its sterile the body would cover it in fibrous tissue and leave it there. My link here is that the "charred" dust from the burnt off field stuck to the defensive field in that same manner, to be removed when one "rebooted" the BJ, repaired/purified it, or dispelled it into sealed mode. No point risking exposure to excise remaining bit, for it still provides some protection as well. EDIT: I thought of something that I forgot to cover here while replying to Chaos' later post, but by the time my com loaded the Edit box... I forgot what it was... Now if there's any comments and disputes to my above post or other posts, that should serve to trigger my memory.
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@Kha
Once again, "Hell, it's about time..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And people, can we all just forget that I've ever mentioned the word 'soul'? Apparently the world isn't ready for it yet... "I am NOT a ***dam, I'm only human..." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ @Kha Out of curiosity... ...Why Erio? Anyway, as you know my weakness, other than drama and angst, is long rants So in any case, can I assume I more or less hit it with the "magical Property" part judging from your speech? (I'm a big man, I can handle the true...)
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2007-06-02, 08:11 | Link #225 | |
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He was the most convenient example of a mage sitting in an AMF and was used earlier to explain why BJ's don't disasseble Negima style in AMF. I just extended it to explain what happens to the mana circuit and the Linker Core as background knowledge for the explanation of the effects of magical damage. Could you point me to ur explanation? My eyes hurt from reading all those posts at rapid speed, then typing as fast as I could.
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"God doesn't limp..." Mine however, is longer and less cool "God doesn't hide from a crappy company..." Quote:
Every spell is made from magic. But in each of these spell there are elements of Physical and Magical properties. My theory is that magic attacks, damages only the "Magical Properties", hence leaving the physical portion unharmed.
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2007-06-02, 08:27 | Link #227 | |
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But I believe magic can affect flesh. In fact, I've split the term "magical damage" into 2: Non-lethal, and lethal. "Lethal" attacks both flesh and magic circuit and I'm sure is used against targets meant for destruction (Gadgets for example); "Non-lethal" attacks just the magic circuit, leaving the mage tired and reeling from "phantom pain". This occurs by varying the type of mana powering the spell. How does that occur exactly is anyone's guess. Canon only shows that it happens, and there are parallels in science, but I shan't bring it in for now unless you guys really want me to Load Cartridge (Or Chain ). Is this short enuff? Cos I left all the justification out (which is what made the original so long. ).
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Kha where is all this magic circuit stuff comining from I never heard of it.
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I think it's in his device.
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There is no circuit or system. It's all ye has mana thus yea can do spells. I don't recall further development on this in the series. Quote:
Not until it is mentioned in the series. Then there's this... Quote:
"Practice what you preach." Namely, Quote:
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2007-06-02, 09:08 | Link #230 | |
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2007-06-02, 09:09 | Link #231 |
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But we are not talking about familiars. But mages.
Oh wait~ Damn the farat boy. ----- Just rememebered Yuuno's an alien so he dosn't count. And Yuuno did tell Nanoha that she can comunicate with him as long as she has raging heart so obviously she can't control her magic on her own. My guess is Yuuno can't either but he has some artifacts with him.
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2007-06-02, 09:12 | Link #232 | |
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Oh... If we're talking in that direction, then I forgot to mention Lindy, who is clearly a non-familiar that can use magic without a device. Certainly proof that magic can be cast without devices.
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But I don't think Hayate can be considered a "normal human" AKA Neutral (fandom term). After all, it was mentioned that the YnS targeted individuals of high magic potential. The Book saw something in her. Quote:
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2007-06-02, 09:20 | Link #234 | |
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Point 2: When was it mentioned that he had some artefacts with him? Even in the sound stage, that pouch he had with him only had "a few photographs". Plz don't fall into the hole you just warned me out of. After Lowe's post: I think Cats' rebuttal might be that Lindy is a fairy, which I cannot rebutt properly cos she was a fairy in Toraha, and she still has those wings. But in Nanohaverse terms, we have several examples of people without Devices, casting magic, but its nothing compared to the ID users cos the ID assists in spellcasting by making the spell calculations easier (as discussed earlier).
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2007-06-02, 09:24 | Link #236 | |
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Give it up, he's Mid-Childan
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ EDIT: Anyway, wasn't it settle a long time ago? Casting a spell is like doing math, anybody with enough knowledge could do it. A device is like a calculator, it speeds up the process. But in the end, it's still up to the mage. (And yes, there are different types of 'calculators'...) And it is possible to do math without a calculator...
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2007-06-02, 09:31 | Link #237 |
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No actually I wasn't completely off in that respect,
While it's true that there might be no significance, Mr Supreme Commander in season 2 did say something like: "I too found a traveler from another world." hence there is a distinction between worlds so Yuuno is, at least just technically, a alien.
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Give it up EDIT: Wait... This just sink in... KERO-CHAN?!
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Now that makes Chaos, Kha and Keroko the three forum members who were addressed with -chan.
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