2012-06-24, 23:03 | Link #61 | |
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Although Madoka was used as an example, this is not a Madoka thread. This thread is only allowed in this sub-forum because it's a general discussion thread. General discussion threads should not have major spoilers in them.
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2012-06-24, 23:35 | Link #62 | |
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But it’s kinda difficult since the OP wants to discuss mainly about Madoka. If spoilers can’t be helped, maybe the posts here can be put under the Madoka Thread?
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2012-06-24, 23:45 | Link #63 |
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He mistitled the thread then... the thread title is "Questions About Magical Girl Genre".... with thread creation power comes great responsibility
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2012-06-24, 23:48 | Link #64 |
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I believe I mentioned earlier that I thought the characters in that series besides Kyubey and Sayaka (somewhat) were dull. But at least that's an improvement over the other magical girl stuff I've seen, where I thought all of the characters were dull.
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2012-06-25, 00:06 | Link #65 | |||
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Just as a suggestion, it may be helpful to place the spoiler, as well as all other policies and rules, in one place, at the top of the main forum page. I looked around a bit, but didn't see it until it was pointed out.
Also, it can tend to dampen discussion, if people aren't free to discuss aspects of shows that have long since aired; Madoka was done over a year ago. According to the spoiler rules, even saying Darth was Luke's father would thus require a spoiler. If we spend any time in the real world, we are going to run into people talking about things that have already happened, that perhaps we haven't seen yet. It's just something that we as humans need to accept. Quote:
Thus, Classified's issues with being unable to empathize with most MG types, as they tend to be whiny, weaker, girly, etc. At least, that's the vibe I was getting from him, based on my own feelings. For me, it's not male or female, but the attitude, regardless of tone. Hell, "Now and Then, Here and There" was even darker than Madoka, and yet I could identify with Shu as a character. Spoiler for possible Madoka spoilers:
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Before anyone thinks I fanboy over this series, let me state that I do know it has some issues; I don't blind myself to them in single-minded praise. Quote:
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I will say that it feels like far too many manga/anime writers seem to be male, and really don't seem to have much of an idea of how to write a female character. I even think I read that Kishimoto(author of Naruto) once said that he didn't really know how to write a heroine, with regards to Sakura, and it shows. So when the rare "Nanoha" type comes along, I savor it. I should also note that many other female characters in the Nanoha series came across as strong, without being "manly." Fate, Hayate, Teana, Subaru... they had strengths and weaknesses as characters, uniquely feminine. |
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2012-06-30, 18:26 | Link #66 |
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Well, this discussion has gotten interesting. Certainly, as I've said before that this genre has more female characters that are strong on their own, and not just strong in the "male sex fantasy" way but their being their own independent entities rather than being a satellite of a typically male character. The worst fictional female characters are the ones that show up all strong and badass, but get nerfed by sexist writers as it passes. >.> Personally, my favorite characters tend to be the strong type, but I tend to get pissed when they try to force traditional gender roles on them. Misato from Evangelion tends to go against this pretty well, while still maintaining traditionally attractive traits. There's also Mai Tokiha from Mai-HiME who is a badass and well rounded character that comes from a series that's pretty much magical girl in all but name.
That being said, I don't think being able to relate to them is that needed. I don't even necessarily have to like them all that much, it's more about being understandable. If a character is annoying or spineless, there better be a good reason why, for example. And of course, I feel that it is needed to realize that everyone makes mistakes, and not everyone behaves optimally. Everyone acts and thinks differently, thus it can lead to many different results. While it is endearing to see those with similarities to myself, it would be pretty boring to have a world where everyone thought like me. That would be bad. On a personal level, I actually tend to relate to other characters' flaws more for my favorites. :S I think it's because that kind of thing leads to development in overcoming or dealing with these problems, and also a reminder that these are also people that are good deep down and do stupid things but are ultimately human. I don't really care if one labels a character by categories such as weak and strong. As for shows like Madoka, that's what worked for me.
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2012-06-30, 19:35 | Link #67 |
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To me, I do try to put myself into the character's shoe. The gender didn't prevent me from doing so, but more like the actions of the character and if their value align with mine. I strongly dislike "now and then, here and there" because basically the main char do things completely opposite than I do. So when the main char get into trouble I don't feel anything simply because I think he brought it on himself. I love "Infinite Ryvius" because while lots of people think the main char is weak and useless, I found that if I am in his shoe that I cannot do much better than him.
While saying that, putting yourself into the character's shoe should not be the ONLY way to enjoy a show. Sure you are not a 10 year old girl, but you also will not have a harem with girls coming out of nowhere and live with you either.
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2012-06-30, 23:47 | Link #68 | |
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To be fair,
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If you're a 20 year old male, you're not the demographic for it. Fans of magical girl genre that does not fit the demographics, are pretty much the otaku-equivalent of bronies. Basically the thread's problem starts with his next paragraph and on, focusing in Madoka Magica. Which is actually a title made with older, male otaku as its primary demographics, unlike the vast majority of Magical Girls genre. My take is... no, it's absolutely not wrong to not understand or like a genre that simply doesn't fit your taste. Just be tolerant if others have different taste, and finds entertaining depth where you don't see one.
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