2012-11-27, 21:37 | Link #1721 | |
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I like Mako's Grandmother. Feisty.
Wait... looking for a tank inside the ship? How would one even get in there? ...And of course they get lost. Wait... they found the PzIV's gun just sitting out there... being used as a clothesline? Why would that even be outside like that? You all say that's a Tiger? How did it get belowdecks? That... thing... Anzio fielded... Why?! For crying out loud, the girl driving it is practically bigger than it is! It looks like a child's toy: a fake tank for kids to drive around, like Power Wheels or something. Armed only with a machinegun... The Type 89 could take that thing out, and isn't that a sad note to go out on? Quote:
Personally I still hope the volleyball team trades up for one of those two. Those girls deserve better than to be stuck in that thing of theirs. |
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2012-11-27, 22:54 | Link #1728 | |
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Though its Final Drive has some problems, it is a problem of wear and tear. In Senshado setting where teams won't likely drive more than 100km per battle AND be able to refit the whole drive between each battle, the Final Drive and Transmission would not likely be of a problem. If so, Panther may be operationally more useful compared to slower Tiger in many situations. From Wikipedia The Panther tank was a compromise of various requirements. While sharing essentially the same engine as the Tiger I tank, it had better frontal armor (including the benefit of a sloping angle, increasing effective armor depth), better gun penetration, was lighter overall and thus faster, and could handle rough terrain better than the Tigers. The tradeoff was weaker side armor; the Panther proved to be deadly in open country and shooting from long range, but vulnerable to close-quarters combat. Also, the 75 mm gun fired a slightly smaller shell than the Tiger's 88 mm gun, providing less high explosive firepower against infantry.
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2012-11-27, 22:58 | Link #1729 | |
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@ wontaek: Aside from the drive, there are other problems, such as the turret traverse drive (not strong enough to either turn the turret or hold it in place when the Panther is on an incline of more than 20 degrees, thus not capable of firing when driving cross-country) and the neutral steer function (while theoratically both steering levers could operated simultaneously, that almost always led to breakdowns resulting in an immobile tank). For all purposes, the Tiger has more tactical use than the Panther, at least within the context of RL. Also, the Wiki articles tend to be too pro-German when it comes to tanks. Last edited by Sumeragi; 2012-11-27 at 23:09. |
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2012-11-27, 23:12 | Link #1731 | ||
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blame would fall on Miho if she insisted on this certain strategy/tactic against the advice of Maho, or worse if she acted without the knowledge/consent of Maho (doubtful with Miho's personality), but both would be strange since they do have radio, you know. All in all ultimate responsibility falls with Maho, as with anyone who's ever been with the military knows there is such a thing as COMMAND RESPONSIBILITY and with good reasons too. All in all there's not enough info about the event to lay blame on anyone, but Command responsibility puts it on Maho. But i don't think it's even that important for the plot or the show. In fact never in the Show was it ever hinted that Maho and her family ever blamed Miho for any tactical error, or even for the loss (she blames herself though). All their dialogues seems to indicate they were disappointed only because Miho ran away from Senshado and the family instead of accepting that loss and moving forward. Quote:
well sure what else would they talk about ,it is Girls und Panzer right, it would be strange if they would start talking about mahjong (nyahaha just thought about Saki) . Still,I threw away Science concerns to a bare minimum ever since episode 1 or else i would never enjoy this. Giant carriers? Girls fighting with live tank ammos all the while staying outside the hatch? Spectators with little children on the streets and sidewalks during a match?oh come on! well i still like the show |
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2012-11-27, 23:19 | Link #1732 | |
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Looking at your picture so don't we see the front end of the tank. The tank chassi keeps going beyond the wall. There is a couch that might make it seem like the tank ends, but you can see the tank chassi stick up slightly above it. |
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2012-11-27, 23:20 | Link #1733 |
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For the specific incident, I do blame Miho for reacting without precaution such as getting a lesser vehicle in front of the flag tank. Her mother was right: Sacrifices are needed, and if you do not take precautions to ensure that the mission itself is not endangered in a serious matter, then not only have you forfeit your position as commander (be it of the tank, the platoon, or the force), but you also break the basics of any martial arts.
The turret is facing to the left of the tank. What we're seeing is the left side of the hull. |
2012-11-27, 23:41 | Link #1734 | |
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2012-11-28, 00:01 | Link #1735 |
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That scene at the river during the match. My take on it, it was an ambush by Pravada. Black forest was re-positioning their flag tank. The Tiger was being escorted front and back, if it was an offensive maneuver toward a known enemy location, the 2 smaller tanks would have been in front. Even if they have confidence in the Tiger's armor, a well placed shot could still end it. (Notice where the Pravada tank was aiming for the winning shot.) After that scene, 2 questions immediately popped into my head.
1: Why was the Tiger the flag tank? By flagging such a powerhouse, you limit what it can contribute to the battle. Miho's (I assume) decision to flag the 38t is a good strategy. The flag can hang back, without hurting the overall offensive capabilities of the team. Saunders did the same thing by not flagging the Firefly. Let the big guns do their thing, let the lesser tanks worry about being a flag. 2: Why didn't the Tiger's crew cover for Miho when she went to rescue the drowning tank. They can't seriously be that helpless or incompetent to be unaware of their situation. "Oh gee, the Vice Commander just went swimming in a raging river. Oh look, there are enemy tank ahead of us. We should wait for Vice Commander to get back to tell us that we should be firing at them." Black Forest walked into an ambush, with Pravada making excellent use of terrain and local conditions to aid in that ambush. It was a bad move by Maho/Miho to move their flag into such a limited space. Even if the other tank didn't go swimming the narrow path they were on would have severely limited any action by Black Forest. |
2012-11-28, 00:19 | Link #1736 |
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Well They skipped the battle this episode but hopefully the manga will give it a little more focus.
As for the big lose that forced Miho to transfer. I don't think it was all her fault she couldn't have predicted one of their tanks going over the cliff nor the ambush.
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1. They most likely had more than one Tiger. 2. Unlike the other tanks, the Tiger had both offenseive and defensive capabilities. The Firefly had only offensive capabilities, hence why it was better for the less conspicuous tank to be the flag. Quote:
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2012-11-28, 00:49 | Link #1740 |
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Yes, the left side of the hull, that keeps going to end at a front somewhere behind the wall. But as we don't actually see that front end so is there no way to tell that it's a front mounted turret. Actually, as the turret is at least as far from the front end as the wall so can't it be a front mounted turret like the Tiger (P).
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