2018-08-30, 15:48 | Link #303 |
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The main plot of search for other player is going nowhere. all we get is 3 seasons of torture porn of Ains and co on powerless human. the whole real average guy stuck in Ains body only comes out in ero situation, what is even the point in that? just make him a full blood cold killer like he already is.
please someone comes out and knock them down a notch. preferable kill few of his servant. they are just being insufferable at this point. just a band of invisible super power killing human for no reason and gloating |
2018-08-30, 17:14 | Link #304 |
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Ahah, seeing so many people salty over the last Nazarick's actions really proves the author nailed it perfectly and succeeded in creating likable side characters by telling the plot through their PoV while making the MC the villain. Well, at least at some degree since some of the fandom seem to be bothered only when cute girls are hurt, because when we saw Mare killing that innocent male adventurer in season 1 in cold blood just because he dared to accompany Momon in his quest to find Shaltear, no one bated an eye . Or when Demiurge, with Ainz's approval, kidnapped thousands of innocent civilians and used their skin to make magic scrolls is clearly the actions of a lovable anti-hero..lol. Just because he helped characters with backstory before (while nailing his personal objectives in the process) does not mean he was never evil.
Killing waifus and making lolis sad seems to be a no no to some people even tho we are following an overpowered undead skeleton in a somewhat dark-fantasy setting with a party full of evil and twisted man-eating monsters whose only purpose in life is to satisfy their own sadistic personalities and pleasing their leader. Guys come on. You were really this naive and got fooled by the comedy and interaction between the Nazarick members? Villains and magic are supposed to be lethal in dark-fantasy stories. This is no romcom with harems. Especially when "MC slowing losing his humanity due to isekai/body change reasons and becoming the villain" is the actual main theme of the show. I liked Arche backstory and her death was indeed sad, but seeing someone with Ainz's background making this girl vomiting rainbows due to his presence alone and then seeing her fate as a mere sustenance to fucked up monsters was even better . It actually made it better xD |
2018-08-30, 18:19 | Link #305 |
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Nah, most of argument here happen because some people want to justify Ainz's actions by trying to shift the blame to his victims.
If they just agree that this is an anime about "evil OP dudes bullying the weak" then where won't be much to talk about.
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2018-08-30, 19:30 | Link #306 |
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Yeah I noticed that too, for me I always enjoy the OP destroying the weak and this is not different even if they want me to pity the character or anything giving it a sad backstory, and besides the leader piss off ainz by lying him about his friends.
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2018-08-30, 20:00 | Link #307 |
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Basically. Not so much that there is a big emotional reaction to where thins are going with the show. It's evil people being evil. The only really interesting angle is the idea that people are trying to pretend that Ainz isn't an evil monster inside and out.
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I personally think it's an interesting development and I said as much before. This anime is called Overlord and from the beginning I was expecting a fantasy story from the side of an evil character, but I mostly got maids and butlers talking about loyalty and devotion. And the usual MC becoming an adventurer. So I guess I should have realized eaerlier that Ainz was totally going into a decidedly evil direction in season 2, but it wasn't as clear as it is now, not to me at least. Sure the Lizardmen were conquered, but they were all happy in the end, they were resurrected, which is something that an evil character would never do, unless in zombie form. It was still hard for me to acknowledge Ainz as a truly evil character. But now? Oh he's definitely evil. I don't know why someone should be salty about it, or try to deny it. It would be like being salty about Walter White or denying his descent to evil even if that's the literal meaning of "Breaking Bad".
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2018-08-30, 22:47 | Link #309 | |
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Sure, in season 1 Ainz was kinda neutral, but let's not forget that a normal human with powers would at least try to resurrect Enri's parents. He could do it in a discreet way to avoid showing his powers before getting knowledge from that world, and also had the excuse to see if the resurrect skill even works and if so, what the negative effects are. Damn, he could bring back the folks from the Sword of Darkness too, unless it's impossible after they became undead. Not sure how that magic works. But my point is that even in season 1 we could see he was not a functional human being. The guy could not even feel emotion when seeing humans die. I mean, all of that, Nazarick's evil alignment and the hints of conquering the world as if he was playing a simple game were already enough to assume he was going to be the villain imo. |
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2018-08-30, 23:47 | Link #310 |
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Meaningless. Even when two states are at war it doesn't mean you can freely add more fuel to the fire to see the earth burn. For all they knew, their reckless actions could well escalate the war and lead to an all-out battle.
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In before "But..but this is Demiurge's plan...."...HELLO...who is the man in charge here? Ainz or Demiurge? |
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I don't know about you, but I'm pretty certain if this kind of incident happens nowadays, there would be countless of indignated reactions. However, such reactions didn't happen in the given context, hence why I don't believe modern standards about moral work in that kind of fiction. I'm not saying people shouldn't feel outraged or have to accept such actions (which I didn't either), but at the same time, it looks pretty pointless to impose a modern mindset there. Quote:
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In the third season, Ainz also stated quite clearly that he didn't care about the villagers except Nphiria and ordered Lupis to protect him, with Enri and Lizzy as bonus because they are needed to bind Nphiria to his will indirectly. The only one individual Ainz was willing to protect without any string attached was Nemu. So yeah, Ainz was never shown as an empathic character right from the very get go and it is consistent with the current characterization he got. I realize his stance of not harming innocent people (or at least not inflict them suffering when they have to be killed) looks inconsistent in the grand scheme of things, but his policies don't go in conflict with his main purpose, which is looking for potential comrades and protect Nazarick. Quote:
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2018-08-31, 12:11 | Link #317 |
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Lol? This far in the game, and we are discussing THIS, of all things?
I've got tons of things I want to gripe about Troll-verlord, but the morals/likability of it's characters is certainly not one of them. The central theme of this book had never been about good vs. evil (thank dog), and while people are free to say what they want to see in the anime, the troll-thor (troll-author for the uninitiated: for reasons why, go check the LN forum) had clearly explained Mormonga's moral-compass since Volume 1: Besides my friends who played with me and made Narzarick - and by extension everything that we made in it, everyone else can go copulate with a leprous African swallow. Besides, this is not the first time a waifu character had been killed off - nor is it the first time a slippery slope had been fallen through. Just because some shounen moments appeared in the series, it does not make it a shounen Shiny-light-triumph-over-the-dark or Ima-actually-good-guy-pretending-to-be-bad series. If you want that, go watch Isekai Maou which is also running in parallel right now. So, instead of having looong unentertaining debates about how Ainz should just go die for killing off a loli-character, why don't we have some more entertaining discussion about how cute Hamsuki looks while dueling with that dumb elf-enslaving worker instead. Or not, but whatever, here's my 2-cents. |
2018-08-31, 12:50 | Link #319 |
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^ There are tons of things worth talking about... such as what happened to those bodies of that hot babe in chain-mail bikini that Ainz squashed to death in Season 1, or what's up with that Theocracy chick that had a cameo for about 2min in Season 2... There're so many many teaser-troll-red-herrings that the troll-thor had left all over the place in the series that I can open a new Walmart selling them, but fans, being what they are, have attention spans that are only triggered by things they dig or reject.
Well, no worries, this will be over soon... |
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