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Ithekro · 2012-06-11, 11:56

Green is highest, red is lowest...within the catagory.

First column with numbers would be winners (highest and lowest vote count divided between the two divisions). Second with numbers would be the losers (highest and lowest vote count again divided between the two divisions) and the lot is the percentage of victory between the winner's votes and the loser's votes. Green would be the largest difference between the two and red the closest. (example, AREA 36 has a 50.12% difference...well Hinagiku only beat Mikury by 6 votes)

My question for this chart would be...what region is this a statistic of? It cannot be the whole of ISML because the vote count is too small.

Last Sinner · 2012-06-11, 12:38

I'm guessing it was a tally half-way through the voting time period if it was a collection of all regions. If it was at the end....China, or is that too few votes for what they contribute?

KholdStare · 2012-06-11, 14:36

No one answered the question...do you prefer this over the actual results?

Ithekro · 2012-06-11, 14:54

How could we answer that when the question was not asked?

KholdStare · 2012-06-11, 14:56

Okay what a pointless post to argue semantics instead of providing some useful information. I guess this forum is useless when I need to be serious.

Ithekro · 2012-06-11, 15:16

It would be useful if one knew what you were asking about in the first place. That was what I was saying.

I'm not as well versed in how the players are doing this year, so I can't gauge the result properly. (I've not been paying as much attention as in years past where I'd be picking your charts apart for story material to setup got Space Opera style plots).

Ahasuerus · 2012-06-11, 17:35

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Originally Posted by KholdStare

No one answered the question...do you prefer this over the actual results?

Oh hi

Personally, results are all that matters to me, although stats can be fun too for those into calculus and random data-gathering, most of which is rendered irrelevant due to voter unpredictability (for the most part).

Add in any number of random factors and the whole speculative equation becomes moot, kinda. "Anything can happen"

But then I'm not a numbers guy, so YMMV and all that

All that being said, ISML 2012 seems more enjoyable than in the past, although I confess to missing all that RAAAAAGE and butthurting as shown in the early years *snif*!

Sackett · 2012-06-11, 20:44

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Originally Posted by KholdStare

No one answered the question...do you prefer this over the actual results?

I don't really understand the question because I don't know what I'm looking at. Aren't the results the same no matter what?

Are you just asking which format is better? Doesn't matter to me, but I imagine most would prefer the current format as it's prettier and less cluttered.

Is the image you showed supposed to be real time info during the voting or something?

RegalStar · 2012-06-11, 21:23

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Originally Posted by KholdStare

No one answered the question...do you prefer this over the actual results?

Define "this"

KholdStare · 2012-06-11, 23:26

Oh well, your loss. Don't say I didn't ask you for your opinions next year.

***CrowKenobi*** · 2012-06-11, 23:38

As had been pointed out before, if we knew what you were asking, then we would give you our opinion of it.

All I got out of it was that the vote totals were reduced by a set amount (I didn't think that it would be the results from a particular region).

EDIT: If the question was should the results be posted here, then please continue!

KholdStare · 2012-06-12, 00:02

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Originally Posted by KholdStare

No one answered the question...do you prefer this over the actual results?

How is this not a question? Why is it not obvious that "this" referred to the previously posted image? And no, we're purposely not telling you what exactly the results from the chart is, or else it would influence your answer.

HasuMasu · 2012-06-12, 00:48

Araragi lost? My country men have betrayed me!

Also, count me in with the people that don't understand what that picture means.

Triple_R · 2012-06-12, 00:49

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Originally Posted by KholdStare

How is this not a question? Why is it not obvious that "this" referred to the previously posted image? And no, we're purposely not telling you what exactly the results from the chart is, or else it would influence your answer.

... I also don't exactly know what that picture means, but I have a theory, and if my theory is right, then yes, I prefer it over the actual results.

Kotohono · 2012-06-12, 01:11

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Originally Posted by KholdStare

How is this not a question? Why is it not obvious that "this" referred to the previously posted image? And no, we're purposely not telling you what exactly the results from the chart is, or else it would influence your answer.

looking again I'll say yes for my own bias reasons that are likely completely unrelated

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Archon_Wing · 2012-06-12, 02:14

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Originally Posted by KholdStare

Okay what a pointless post to argue semantics instead of providing some useful information. I guess this forum is useless when I need to be serious.

I don't really understand why you are so surprised at the answers you got when you didn't put any effort into asking people. People just wanted to more info on what the image meant.

Honestly, even if we were useful, we wouldn't be able to help if you're gonna go around being offended so easily. Everyone's pretty decent around here, so it's not nice to call people stuff like that. Save it for like MAL forums or something.

So as for now, i'll have to go for no, it doesn't help us over the standard results at the moment.

Anyhow, I'll be going back to being useless.

KholdStare · 2012-06-12, 06:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple_R

... I also don't exactly know what that picture means, but I have a theory, and if my theory is right, then yes, I prefer it over the actual results.

Well, that's exactly what I wanted to avoid.

Without your theory, would you still prefer the table? (Amethyst 3)

For everyone else, sorry if I offended you. For Amethyst 4, which result would make you more happy without assuming anything about how we got them?

a)

b)

<- This is the result on the main site.

Sackett · 2012-06-12, 06:33

How you get the results is the more important question.

Triple_R · 2012-06-12, 06:41

Guys, carefully look at the two tables Kholdstare just put up, and compare them against each other. Some matches now have different winners.

So I think when KholdStare asked "Do you like these new results better?", he's not simply asking "Which format do you prefer?" He's also asking "Which list of winners do you prefer?"

One of the clearer difference I'll point out: Akemi Homura is doing substantially better with whatever this new formula KholdStare is using. Some of the other changes I'm also cool with. I only have a pretty vague theory as to how KholdStare is arriving at these different results, but I will say that I do like these results better.

Anyway, I'll be less cautious this time, and just say Yes, I prefer this new table of results.

Kotohono · 2012-06-12, 06:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by Triple_R

One of the clearer difference I'll point out: Akemi Homura is doing substantially better with whatever this new formula KholdStare is using. Some of the other changes I'm also cool with. I only have a pretty vague theory as to how KholdStare is arriving at these different results, but I will say that I do like these results better.

Anyway, I'll be less cautious this time, and just say Yes, I prefer this new table of results.

Due to that I'll go with yes again

(Plus I like a certain someone seeming unbeatable due to votes)

2012-06-11, 11:56	Link #1861
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	Green is highest, red is lowest...within the catagory. First column with numbers would be winners (highest and lowest vote count divided between the two divisions). Second with numbers would be the losers (highest and lowest vote count again divided between the two divisions) and the lot is the percentage of victory between the winner's votes and the loser's votes. Green would be the largest difference between the two and red the closest. (example, AREA 36 has a 50.12% difference...well Hinagiku only beat Mikury by 6 votes) My question for this chart would be...what region is this a statistic of? It cannot be the whole of ISML because the vote count is too small. __________________

2012-06-11, 12:38	Link #1862
Last Sinner You're Hot, Cupcake Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 42	I'm guessing it was a tally half-way through the voting time period if it was a collection of all regions. If it was at the end....China, or is that too few votes for what they contribute? __________________

2012-06-11, 14:36	Link #1863
KholdStare ISML Technical Staff Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 35	No one answered the question...do you prefer this over the actual results? __________________ Kholdy's MAL, ISML Chat, Saimoe Blog, Saimoe Wiki

2012-06-11, 14:54	Link #1864
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	How could we answer that when the question was not asked? __________________

2012-06-11, 14:56	Link #1865
KholdStare ISML Technical Staff Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 35	Okay what a pointless post to argue semantics instead of providing some useful information. I guess this forum is useless when I need to be serious. __________________ Kholdy's MAL, ISML Chat, Saimoe Blog, Saimoe Wiki

2012-06-11, 15:16	Link #1866
Ithekro Gamilas Falls Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Republic of California Age: 46	It would be useful if one knew what you were asking about in the first place. That was what I was saying. I'm not as well versed in how the players are doing this year, so I can't gauge the result properly. (I've not been paying as much attention as in years past where I'd be picking your charts apart for story material to setup got Space Opera style plots). __________________

2012-06-11, 23:26	Link #1870
KholdStare ISML Technical Staff Graphic Designer Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 35	Oh well, your loss. Don't say I didn't ask you for your opinions next year. __________________ Kholdy's MAL, ISML Chat, Saimoe Blog, Saimoe Wiki

2012-06-11, 23:38	Link #1871
*CrowKenobi* One PUNCH! Administrator Join Date: Dec 2005	As had been pointed out before, if we knew what you were *asking*, then we would give you our opinion of it. All I got out of it was that the vote totals were reduced by a set amount (I didn't think that it would be the results from a particular region). EDIT: If the question was should the results be posted here, then please continue!

2012-06-12, 00:48	Link #1873
HasuMasu Senior Member Artist Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: The Middle Way	Araragi lost? My country men have betrayed me! Also, count me in with the people that don't understand what that picture means. __________________

2012-06-12, 06:33	Link #1878
Sackett Cross Game - I need more Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: I've moved around the American West. I've lived in Oregon, Washington, Utah, and Oklahoma Age: 44	How you get the results is the more important question. __________________ Cross Game - A Story of Love, Life, Death - and Baseball. What more could you want?

2012-06-12, 06:41	Link #1879
Triple_R Senior Member Author Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Newfoundland, Canada Age: 42	Guys, carefully look at the two tables Kholdstare just put up, and compare them against each other. Some matches now have different winners. So I think when KholdStare asked "Do you like these new results better?", he's not simply asking "Which format do you prefer?" He's also asking "Which list of winners do you prefer?" One of the clearer difference I'll point out: Akemi Homura is doing substantially better with whatever this new formula KholdStare is using. Some of the other changes I'm also cool with. I only have a pretty vague theory as to how KholdStare is arriving at these different results, but I will say that I do like these results better. Anyway, I'll be less cautious this time, and just say Yes, I prefer this new table of results. __________________