2011-03-10, 23:48 | Link #741 |
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Madoka did defeat Walpurgis the first time, its just that her soul gem got destroyed too. Probably did what Kyouko did in the current timeline.
What Kyubee did makes sense since he wanted Madoka as a witch so the only choice was have Homura travel back in time and give Madoka a second chance at becoming a witch. The only requirements for him to win is Madoka going witch after Homura dies. It seems the Kyubee is officially a liar and this time with evidence. In the current timeline he made it sound like he is trying to save humanity but in the timeline that came before the current one he pretty much left it to rot against witch Madoka. |
2011-03-10, 23:55 | Link #742 | |
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Edit: Though I'd contest the whole she did defeat the Walpurgis the first time part. Totally agree that it was the soul gem being destroyed that gave QB the motivation to grant Homura's wish, so he would have a chance to get that delicious soul gem to turn into a grief seed. From his perspective, he probably sees no way he can be defeated (or, rather, the entire system), so he looses nothing since he had already lost Madoka's soul gem in that timeline. Last edited by creb; 2011-03-11 at 00:24. |
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2011-03-11, 00:27 | Link #743 |
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Umm, no. If he simply wanted a redo and get another chance at madoka's energy he screwed himself because the wish negates his success. The loop only stops if madoka never becomes a MS and also survives WN. If the wish was supposed to give QB a second chance, he would have exited at current loop -1 where he basically won it all. Madoka made a pact and also became a witch. Homura was able to wipe it and just start another loop though. So basically, he can't win under the current circumstance so he would never have knowingly granted the wish as a means to further his own goals.
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2011-03-11, 00:36 | Link #744 | |
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In QB's mind the equation is this: Madoka alive + QB + time = Ultimate Witch. All other factors aren't worth mentioning, even Homura because she can't kill QB completely. So he can continue to persuade Madoka with more situations even if WPN passes.
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2011-03-11, 00:44 | Link #745 | |
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If the power stacking of Madoka due to time looping is true and if Kyubei knows this, then it makes sense for him to allow the wish. Sooner of later Madoka will exit the loop herself due to her power exceeding that needed to destroy the W-night witch. Once that is done, Kyubei needs to merely wait for Homura and her to transform. Fail point here is that they can suicide, which would not bring about the energy (assuming that the energy is generated at that point is true) Alternatively, Kyubei does not have the ability to grant wishes, merely allowing the MS 's soul power to make their wishes come true, in which case he is open to attack from wishes against his interests. |
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2011-03-11, 05:52 | Link #748 | ||
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Saving everyone is a lie? He slyly means averting the current situation. Nothing about what may or may not happen in the future. Think of this: Mami wished to live after the car crash...and she dies later on. Does that mean Mami didn't have her wish granted? What makes him such a brilliant character is his choice of words. |
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2011-03-11, 09:24 | Link #751 | |
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Kyubey says "Make a contract, and your wish is fulfilled!". Isn't that basically the major point of every Advertising campaign out there? He said such words instead of "Join me and become really powerful witches". And, everytime Kyubey says something, he always uses the word "contract" which is a major business term amongst salesmen, marketing execs, PR consultants and Ad Men. Isn't it obvious that Kyubey is nothing more than a telemarketer for witches? And besides, "Magical Girl" is nothing more than a PR word for "witch". I mean, if you're going to recruit humans into witches, you don't say "witch", you'll of course say the PR word that is "Magical Girl". And that could easily fool people into becoming witches, because they think "Magical Girl" is a positive term, eventhough we all know that it's nothing more than an endurance test to turn them into witches. And if you look at the PR and Advertising for Blackwater, Fox News, Monsanto, Pharmaceutical companies and BP, what they say are exactly similar to what Kyubey has said. So yeah, Kyubey is a representation of modern Bernaysian propaganda methods we called "Public Relations", using good words to hype up and give a good image to evil.
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2011-03-11, 10:43 | Link #752 | |
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Of course he doesn't mention she will doom the world to an even worse fate if she becomes a Witch.
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2011-03-11, 14:09 | Link #753 | |
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"It is not what you say, it is how you say it"
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2011-03-11, 16:06 | Link #754 | ||
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The fact is, is that people are filling in the gaps themselves which makes them think he lied about things. Oh, and about the manga. Let's not bring that into the anime, because he's clearly different in that one. Kyubei is showing emotions the manga (judging from the posted images - haven't read it myself), whereas the anime explicitly says Kyubei is incapable of emotions. |
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2011-03-11, 18:17 | Link #756 | |
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but nothing compares to Blackwater and other "Private Military Contractors": Think about it: Erik prince=Kyubey Military Contractors=Mahou Shoujos (except the fact that most Military Contractors are former Marines and SEALS, whereas Mahou Shoujos are just Japanese teen girls).
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2011-03-11, 19:39 | Link #757 | |
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2011-03-12, 03:29 | Link #760 |
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I've just re watched Episode 8 , and some things jump right out at me .
In episode 8 , Homura mentions that Kyubey has a true form, and certain.... plans. Could it be that Walpuirgis is Kyubey ????? Perhaps all the Grief Seeds collected by Kyubey is used to produce a Walpurgis night , multiple Grief Seeds blended together to create a Super Witch , that would reverse massive quantities of Entropy in the process . This Walpurgis Night is directly controlled and managed by Kyubey himself , hence essentially being Kyubey's true form ? I mention this because of Episode 10. So far as I know , it has not been showed when, where and under what circumstances Homura learned of Kyubey's true form . Walpurgis Night = Kyubey could be a very real possibility here. |
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