2013-01-21, 14:45 | Link #11701 |
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The fact that Saki is now a profession musician is itself the incredible coincidence. Do you not realize that? There was absolutely no reason that any one of the three had to be someone we already knew who had an important history with one of the main characters.
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2013-01-21, 15:13 | Link #11702 | |
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That's basically what I'm saying. The event should've been complicated, but according to Ajimu, it didn't have to, nescessarily, because fate couldn't influence a complication anymore, so stuff just happened as it would in reality. Suki just happened to be a musician, and Kumagawa just happened to skip school that day or any other reason. No fate, just pure random. That's Devil Style's influence over the influence of fate(what a strange thought), just like two opposite forces clashing and negating one another.
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2013-01-21, 15:22 | Link #11703 | |
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You think Naruto, Bleach, and One Piece are the most successful and influential in shounen history? How cute. |
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2013-01-21, 15:31 | Link #11704 |
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It's pretty much One Piece and Dragonball, One piece has sold the most hell it breaks single month volume sales records on a has a monthly basis Most probably by the time it finishes it'll outstrip the sales of any other manga by an extremely large amount, Dragonball is is around the same due to worldwide popularity as well as the high volume sales . Naruto's big but not really Dragonball stand out big. Bleach not quite the same tier.
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2013-01-21, 15:41 | Link #11706 |
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And they there are the cult classics such as Jojo, Fist of the North Star, Saint Seiya and Prince of tennis. They may not have had high sales (and Jojo became a seinen) but they influence manga in ways that is indescribable. Fist of The North Star even started the shonen battle genre while Jojo and Dragonball codified what the genre was going to be like.
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2013-01-21, 15:42 | Link #11707 | |
Homo Ludens
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It remains my favorite page in the entire manga.
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It HAD that, but everything after 140 kind of dropped the ball in that regard. |
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2013-01-21, 15:51 | Link #11708 | |
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2013-01-21, 15:57 | Link #11709 | ||
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Heh. My favorite page comes after that one, coincidentally enough.
Though, I really can't look at them separated, they really are a gem of a pair. Quote:
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2013-01-21, 18:35 | Link #11710 | |
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2013-01-21, 19:51 | Link #11711 |
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One Piece, Dragonball, Bleach, Naruto ... etc OMG
I am speechless. How does this related to Nisio and my favorite manga? Medaka Box this is a parody. It can be black humor or romcom, but it's not pure/classic/stupid shounen manga. Sorry |
2013-01-22, 02:14 | Link #11713 | |
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You are free to think otherwise but simple facts of figures tells otherwise. Deny it but you are just coming off as a complete ignorant fool. |
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2013-01-22, 02:17 | Link #11714 | |
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And the reason why Nishio doesnt tackle upon that is because he simply cannot or else he would have to deconstruct his own deconstruction. Last edited by Darknemo2000; 2013-01-22 at 02:39. |
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2013-01-22, 02:38 | Link #11715 | ||
Homo Ludens
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I also made this because why not?
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Also, this is why the word "deconstruction" is very stupid. |
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2013-01-22, 03:00 | Link #11716 | |
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Past ones influenced the big three (Naruto and Bleach in particular) but for me big three is actually big one and two mediocres attached. OP is quite influential and the more time will pass the more influential it will be. The problem is that OP doesnt follow shounen tropes the way Bleach or Naruto does. But at the same time its way too big of a player to ignore. So what now? Call One Piece not a shounen? If not then Nishio's 'deconstruction' is pointless as it doesnt include the biggest fish in contemporary manga world which in its own right influences the newer manga's thus reshaping the contemporary shounen. Now that I can agree about. But the word 'deconstruction' makes Nishio's manga sound deeper than it actually is. |
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2013-01-22, 03:33 | Link #11717 | |
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You talk about Luffy being "defeated" before but that alone doesn't differentiate him from the rest of shounen protagonists. Take a look over the characters in that page Kaisos posted, or hell even refer to Medaka herself. The simple way that every shounen manga treats "defeat" is just "failure makes you stronger", artificially generating a bit of temporary tension before the main character comes back for an "epic" win. Are you honestly gonna tell me One Piece is different? A shounen main character does not have to win all the time, but they do win in the end, when it really matters. That is the thing which differentiates idealistic shounen series from reality (not that overly cynical grimdark series are any better). From all I can tell, One Piece is 100% generic shounen (not that I hate shounen or anything). Greatest-selling or not, I will find it pretty funny if you seriously believe otherwise. |
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2013-01-22, 06:51 | Link #11718 | |
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Usually such big events only happen in shounen's beginning as a stimulation for MC to train get batter and come back kicking ass not in the middle of the story with all the training and powerups with all the super determination to save the life of your only family member and failing to do so. |
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2013-01-22, 07:15 | Link #11719 | |
The Mage of Four Hearts
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2013-01-22, 07:20 | Link #11720 |
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He got that far though not because of his own strength or determination but because all the big ones were occupied within themselves, when Luffy had to face them he looked weak. If not Whitebeards help Luffy would have been dead together with Ace. Luffy's determination, power-ups, experience and all that usual shounen boosts were quite useless.
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action, comedy, harem, nishio, romance, shounen, student council |
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