2006-08-18, 09:52 | Link #1601 | |
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2006-08-18, 10:10 | Link #1602 | |
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The second paragraph I posted refers to someone elses ambiguous post above yours wherein I have no idea who actually posted it to begin with. If your half as confused as I am I'm actually quite relieved.
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2006-08-18, 11:11 | Link #1603 | ||
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About piracy, I do think that there are a majority of Singaporeans who have not caught on to Downloading Animes, or at least those casual guys in the VCD shop who come across a nice looking box set and decide to take it home. I guess I'm just very curious at how the casual non-anime Arts Central watcher would react to SHnY. Especially the first episode. I hoping that, as much as it has the potential to put people off, it can conversely be a hook to catch them into watching the rest of the series. Then again, it all depends on the subtitles. Last edited by Lost; 2006-08-18 at 11:32. |
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2006-08-18, 11:21 | Link #1604 | |
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I was actually hoping for a 5-6 part OVA for the making of Asahina Mikuru no Bouken @Kinny: You're about 1,598 times short lol, keep repeating! |
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2006-08-18, 11:26 | Link #1605 |
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Hm... somebody could translate http://www.haruhi.tv/summer/index.html for those who don't know japanese.
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2006-08-18, 12:46 | Link #1610 | |
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2006-08-18, 16:13 | Link #1611 | |
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Pointless/useless things to do during summer: Summer resort/chalet Pool Bon/Latern festival dance Fireworks festival Baito (Baito is a Japanese term for a job, especially part-time jobs) Astronomical observation (You can call it star gazing) Batting practice Insect catching Test of courage (Basically a dare) Others Goldfish scooping (I think, it refers to the little game during Summer Festival where you scoop fish into a container) @The discussion of Singapore licensing Haruhi: Actually I really think most Singaporeans are not 'ready' for such a show. Despite all the anime exposure, Singapore is still not exposed enough. Most people still watch anime like cartoons and I don't think those anime on Art Central are watched by alot of people. Kids Central all for kids lol, I mean they actually show some great anime sometimes, but the people watching are kids who don't understand what is really going on. I don't think there are any voice actors good enough for Haruhi. For rearranging the anime, I really don't want to think about it lol, it will be beyond me if they decide to do it. If those people are going to licence the show, I'm sure they will look through the episodes, understand them before agreeing to license. If they don't understand why the episodes are arranged in such a way, they would be failures in their film appreciation/knowledge lol
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2006-08-18, 22:13 | Link #1612 | |
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Haruhi mentioned in Anime Insider #36!
In Anime Insider issue #36 (September 2006) their A.I. column on pages 14 and 15 describe "Rising Stars--Five names on their way up in the world of anime and manga" and in position #5 is... Haruhi Suzumiya.
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2006-08-19, 00:42 | Link #1614 | |
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Also out of curiosity who were the other 4 "rising stars" |
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2006-08-19, 04:53 | Link #1615 | |||
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Hirano Aya's Awesome Performance as Suzumiya Haruhi
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Suzumiya Haruhi is not just a speaking role. It is also a singing role. Hirano Aya performs both roles superbly. All the possible English voice actresses offered up by English dub fans so far, in my opinion, cannot do BOTH the speaking part and the singing part of Suzumiya Haruhi as well as Hirano Aya. Many, if not most, cannot even sing. Or if they do sing, cannot sing the Haruhi songs at the high standard set by Hirano Aya. While ADV's English dub for UFO Princess Valkyrie, aka UFO Ultramaiden Valkyrie, is not bad, not bad at all, the English dubbed singing is just awful. Even Christine M. Auten, who sounds not too bad singing the dub version of the song "Kokoro wa Shoujo de Parachute" ("The Heart is a Girl's Parachute") by her character Sakaki(-san) in the Christmas karaoke scene on episode 17 of Azumanga Daioh, sounds really bad singing as her character Sanada-san, aka Ms. Sanada, in episode 6 of UFO Ultramaiden Valkyrie. In episode 6 itself of UFO Ultramaiden Valkyrie, Christine Auten does NOT dub Sanada-san's background wordless singing, sung on the original Japanese track by Sanada-san's seiyuu, Tanaka Rie. On the English dub track of episode 6, there is no background wordless singing - just background instrumental music. The wordless singing seems to have been too difficult for Christine Auten to handle. Aside from the singing, no one seriously considers Christine Auten - according to a number of English dub fans, one of the better singing voice actors at ADV (she reportedly sings the English dub songs for her character, Priscella "Priss" A. Asagiri, in Bubblegum Crisis: Tokyo 2040) - in the role of Suzumiya Haruhi. Her voice does not fit Haruhi at all. The best singing English dub voice actress I have heard with FUNimation - known for dubbing many anime songs - is Daphne Gere. Among other things, she sings the English dub version of the ending theme song for FUNimation's release of Blue Gender. Many English dub fans had wrongly attributed the English dubbed singing of the Blue Gender opening and ending theme songs to Laura Bailey, the English voice actor for Marlene Angel in Blue Gender. Laura Bailey herself corrected the misattribution in the following quote from a post on the Anime On DVD Community Forums: Laura Bailey here... thread, which no longer exists, last year on the Anime On DVD English Track Forum: URL: http://forums.animeondvd.com/showthr...=&sb=5&o=&vc=1 Re: Anime On DVD Community Forums: Re: Laura Bailey here... Quote:
But, as you can see on her entry in the Anime News Network Encyclopedia, Daphne Gere has not done much voice acting in anime at all. It appears that she is doing other things. And her singing may not be suitable for the Suzumiya Haruhi insert songs in episode 12, anyway... So, how should the English dub deal with the Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu songs? Dub all? Dub some? Dub none? Bandai Entertainment and The Ocean Group chose to dub the Lacus Clyne songs in Gundam SEED with - in the opinion of so many - terrible results and horrid, mismatched speaking and singing voices. It is clear that the English voice actor for Lacus Clyne, Chantal Strand, cannot sing. She is a horrible singer. So, instead, they had one or more other people (Jillian Michaels, etc.) sing in her place as Lacus Clyne on the English dubs of Gundam SEED and Gundam SEED DESTINY. Imagine how much worse it would have been if they had let the English voice actor who does Lacus's speaking voice, also do Lacus's singing voice. The horror. If they do dub Suzumiya Haruhi's speaking voice and singing voice with different people, then at least make sure they sound more or less alike. In the English dub of Gundam SEED, it is obvious that the speaking voice and the singing voice for Lacus Clyne are done by different people: Lacus sounds like a little, prepubescent girl when she speaks in English, but she sounds like a big, mature woman when she sings in English. If the English Suzumiya Haruhi is going to be like Milli Vanilli and the English Lacus Clyne with their fake singing - lip syncing to someone else's singing - at least do a good job of matching up the speaking and singing voices. (Matching up lip syncing to the outstanding animation for the Suzumiya Haruhi insert songs in episode 12 is another thing.) And give proper English credits for the singing voices on the Japanese and English tracks of Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuutsu. Translate existing Japanese song credits. Do not pull a Bandai/Ocean and "forget" English credits for songs (e.g., non-existent English credits for the Lacus Clyne songs on the Gundam SEED television series Region 1 DVDs).
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2006-08-19, 06:08 | Link #1616 |
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Wow thank you for that in-depth and informative post. Which makes me hope so much more that ODEX (with hardly the resources of ADV or FUNimation) does not do a measly dub. From what you say, it now seems unlikely they will, considering all the trouble finding one that could really match up to Hirano Aya (If they could in the first place). If they know what is good for them.
As for the dubbing of character songs, its in my opinion that companies should leave the song in Japanese. It will seem weird, but really, its a culture thing. This is Japanese animation, here’s a Japanese song for you to enjoy. What they can do to make the transition a little easier is to get the English voice actor to sing the first few moments of the song (say 3-5 seconds) and then fade out to the original Japanese singer. On a side note, can Hirano Aya speak English? |
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Wow! Someone else interested in Seiyuu! ^_^
I'm like a lot of people and get incredibly turned off by most English voice dubs so I don't normally follow english seiyuu but I've been following Japanese Seiyuu a lot quite recently. Hirano Aya was amazing as Haruhi and one of my favourites to date. I still think Atsuko Enomoto did a superb job with Kare Kano's Miyazawa Yukino... but of course, she didn't really have a singing role like Hirano. (She did sing the Theme ED song though which was OK). I remember watching Gundam SEED in english and for a while I could grit my teeth and sit through it but as soon as Lacus Clyne started to sing I ... switched it straight to Japanese. Yes... they MUST find a good voice actress/singer for Haruhi. I'm planning to buy the DVD when it comes out in my region after all... and I want to be able to watch it in english without cringing. But what a way to ruin an episode, let alone a series - to have a bad singer voice Haruhi. Imagine the people watching Suzumiya Haruhi for the first time if it ever airs on TV... and watching it in English (with no choise) with a bad singer. I mean... it's one of the most memorable moments of the series(it was the first episode I rated 10/10) ... it had style, detail and feeling. I will feel... very murderous if that ever happens... |
2006-08-19, 10:39 | Link #1618 |
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@Siegel Clyne: now I'm quite concerned if the NA licensor wants to re-dub the OP and ED in english after reading your post. Hare Hare Yukai might turn out to be a mess since supposedly Haruhi, Yuki and Mikuru all sang that together.
@Lost: most likely no, but it seems she has a good grasp of engrish There seem to be few (if any) VAs that can capture the liveliness and megalomania of Haruhi. I wonder KyoAni casted due to research or simply wanted to save some money by hiring a relatively under-appreciated VA to star in their production. Truth to be told, when the first novel was partially translated by BakaTsuki, I thought any other studio would have casted whoever did Akane (another Suzumiya O.o) as Haruhi. Then again, the depiction of a tsundere character from Japanese to english is quite different. |
2006-08-19, 10:48 | Link #1619 | |
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Hiring two different actresses for the role might be the best bet; we don't have many people in the West with that kind of range.
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2006-08-19, 13:14 | Link #1620 |
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I would just like to say thanks to the dedicated fans of the Suzumiya Haruhi anime! I happend to have stumbled on the thread a week ago and saw how big a following the show had and thought Id look into it, and Im glad I did!!!
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