Tales of Zestiria the Cross - Weekly Episode-to-Game Comparison [Spoilers]

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by Anh_Minh

I don't remember, were Zaveid and Lailah acquainted in the game?

They were, to some extend. Although in the Anime, they seemed to know each other much more. They struck me as people who just happen to know each other a bit in the game.

Lailah has been around for quite some time, it wouldn't be all that surprising that she knew a lot of them (Seraph).

[GDB]

At this point in the game, wasn't Lailah's entire M.O. basically "Make sub-lord contracts with Seraphs! DO IT! C'MON, DO IT! NOWWWWW~ ooh look, a round thi-SUBLORD CONTRACT"?

Glad they got rid of that.

[Sides]

First Normin appeared this week, besides a massive shift from the game. What remains the same are the key events, locations and characters everything else is basically brand new and makes it worth watching for people who played the game.
I love how they introduced Attakk here, massive shift from the depressing or sad way they met in the game.

[Harbinger]

Without spoiling anything, I'm legitimately curious to see how they handle Alisha from this point onward. The next episode is named Alisha so it's probably her time to shine (I mean, having a whole episode "dedicated" to you certainly means that something will come out of it, right?).

Do you think Alisha will join Sorey on his quest or will she keep doing what she's doing right now --- seeing Sorey from time to time while doing her duty-related stuff?

It seems that we're reaching a turning point. The first cour is ending soon and I got a pretty good idea what kind of climax they are going for.

[Kazu-kun]

I think she will keep doing her stuff and meet with Sorey from time to time.

And I actually think Rose will be the same. I don't think the anime will introduce the concept of squires.

[RDNexus]

It seems to be going that way, since the Squire thing seemed more gameplay-related than plot-related.

[Tokkan]

The Berseria episodes already introduced us to Exorcists, which are the Berseria-era equivalents of Zestiria's Squires. It'd seem weird if Squires aren't at least brought up, but you are right that the Squire concept was more connected to gameplay than story.

[Harbinger]

Actually, Squire makes sense, even if you ignore the gameplay convenience.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

Actually, Squire makes sense, even if you ignore the gameplay convenience.

The point is it doesn't have any actual plot relevance.

[GDB]

Didn't it give Alisha the ability to purify lesser hellions or otherwise assist Sorey in purifying them? Or was it purely so she could interact with Seraphs beyond audio?

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by GDB

Didn't it give Alisha the ability to purify lesser hellions or otherwise assist Sorey in purifying them? Or was it purely so she could interact with Seraphs beyond audio?

It was mainly so she could see and talk with the seraph, which is a non-issue in the anime.

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

The point is it doesn't have any actual plot relevance.

No, it makes perfect sense. It's especially relevant to the ending of the game. I can't go into details since it's technically spoilers.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

No, it makes perfect sense. It's especially relevant to the ending of the game. I can't go into details since it's technically spoilers.

I played the game myself. But no, I don't agree that.

Spoiler for zestiria game, ending spoilers:

The ending can work just fine without Rose. Lailah can go look for Rose to be the next Shepherd after Sorey starts purifying Maotelus. The story doesn't need Rose tagging along as a squire the whole time, since she was pretty irrelevant to the plot anyway.

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

I played the game myself. But no, I don't agree that.

Spoiler for zestiria:

The ending can work just fine without Rose. Lailah can go look for Rose to be the next Shepherd after Sorey starts purifying Maotelus. The story doesn't need Rose tagging along as a squire the whole time, since she was pretty irrelevant to the plot anyway.

Spoiler for End-game spoiler:

The reason why Sorey went into stasis was to purify the malevolence of the land. By linking with the dragon, he allowed the existence of a great number of squires, which would help with the purification of the world. Instead of waiting for a Shepherd to appear (which is only one person), we would have a lot more people who are able to do the Shepherd's job.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

Spoiler for End-game spoiler:

The reason why Sorey went into stasis was to purify the malevolence of the land. By linking with the dragon, he allowed the existence of a great number of squires, which would help with the purification of the world. Instead of waiting for a Shepherd to appear (which is only one person), we would have a lot more people who are able to do the Shepherd's job.

Yeah I know all that. But I'm talking about having a squire tagging along during the story. There's no need for that. The plot can run just fine without it.

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Yeah I know all that. But I'm talking about having a squire during the story. There's no need for that. The plot can run just fine without it.

Having a companion helps a lot. Besides

Spoiler for Game spoiler:

Sorey's job was to give life (aka save). Rose's job was to take life (aka kill those who were corrupted to the core). There would have been no reason to have Rose hang around if she couldn't purify Hellions.

When the Shepherd's power was not enough, the Squire came in as a complement.

Having 2 heads is better than 1 anyway.

"The Squire" is basically the Shepherd sharing his/her power with someone else. It's like Lailah sharing her power of purification with other Seraph. Other Seraphs would complement her. The Squire is a person who complements the Shepherd

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

Having a companion helps a lot.

For full time companions he has the seraphs. Alisha and Rose can show up from time to time. In fact, that's what I think it's gonna happen.

Originally Posted by Harbinger

Spoiler for Game spoiler:

Sorey's job was to give life (aka save). Rose's job was to take life (aka kill those who were corrupted to the core). There would have been no reason to have Rose hang around if she couldn't purify Hellions.

Spoiler for game:

Sorey's job is to be a Shepherd, and he doesn't need no safety net. That's what Rose was for him in the game and it didn't help his character development. The anime doesn't need to go there. It can have Sorey grow on his own. If he has to kill, he'll have to man up and do it. He does kill Heldalf at the end anyway.

[Harbinger]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

For full time companions he has the seraphs. Alisha and Rose can show up from time to time. In fact, that's what I think it's gonna happen.

Spoiler for game:

Sorey's job is to be a Shepherd, and he doesn't need no safety net. That's what Rose was for him in the game and it didn't help his character development. The anime doesn't need to go there. It can have Sorey grow on his own. If he has to kill, he'll have to man up and do it. He does kill Heldalf at the end anyway.

Spoiler for Stuff about the game. Don't read if you haven't finished the game:

Yes, he does, but at that point, he has made the realization that saving someone can also mean killing them. He realized the same for Eizen.

Sure, the Anime doesn't need to have a permanent Squire, but a Shepherd is limited to only 1 Armatization. He is only 1 person. He's only 1 human. Having a Squire drastically increase your flexibility.

In the Anime, this could come in handy. Sometimes, Seraph just aren't powerful enough to protect others while you focus on your objective.

Sorey wants Humans and Seraph to coexist. A Squire is somewhat the embodiment of that. It's a Human and a Seraph working together.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Harbinger

Spoiler for Stuff about the game. Don't read if you haven't finished the game:

Yes, he does, but at that point, he has made the realization that saving someone can also mean killing them. He realized the same for Eizen.

Sure, the Anime doesn't need to have a permanent Squire, but a Shepherd is limited to only 1 Armatization. He is only 1 person. He's only 1 human. Having a Squire drastically increase your flexibility.

In the Anime, this could come in handy. Sometimes, Seraph just aren't powerful enough to protect others while you focus on your objective.

Sorey wants Humans and Seraph to coexist. A Squire is somewhat the embodiment of that. It's a Human and a Seraph working together.

Spoiler for game:

Look, armatization is what makes Sorey special as the show's MC. You can't give that to someone else. The game did it and no liked it (in Japan at least). The anime doesn't have to make the same mistakes.

It would be one thing if the plot required Rose to tag along full time and armatize, but it doesn't. Besides, Sorey's getting stronger faster than he did in the game.

Anyway, let's just wait and see what happens.

[Proto]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Spoiler for game:

Look, armatization is what makes Sorey special as the show's MC. You can't give that to someone else. The game did it and no liked it (in Japan at least). The anime doesn't have to make the same mistakes.

Wat what? Why? Having the flexibility to switch two seraphim characters sets gave the battles so much flexibility and made it so fun, specially since Sorey and his squire battle styles's also were sufficiently different (all balanced vs agility tank) so that it made sense to switch between which human character you controlled depending on the enemy composition.


Goddamnit, Japanese market. That's why you get all crappy JRPG's. You get one good one and you shit all over it.