(L+CR) Yahari Ore no Seishun Love Comedy wa Machigatteiru. Zoku (Oregairu Season 2)

[GDB]

Originally Posted by Shadow5YA

What kind of resolution did you expect? The previous two episodes were spent showing how Hachiman couldn't do anything on his own. It's not like he could have come up with something on his own.

I dunno, that's why I wanted to see it.

Originally Posted by Axyp

She's looking at him..and..?

And... she wasn't in that scene before?

[n120cky]

Originally Posted by Axyp

Isn't wanting something genuine also asking for friends? Why would he be lying in front of Yui and Yuki when he wants to solve this whole conflict in the first place?

Well from another POV the problem also could be resolved even Hachiman is lying, Hachiman has 2 problem here: coldwar in the club and joint christmas event, the efficient way to solve will be making the club to help at joint christmas event, that's one throw of stone for two bird. If he is lying he is a very bad person, but he said himself that he is a big liars.

Also he refuse hand held from Yui which is that genuine thing from Yui..., And I feel like Hachiman just throwing puzzle at the club by saying he want the genuine thing, the fact is neither Yui or Yukino understand that. I think it would be easy if Hachiman just say he want to understand. That make me feel Hachiman playing string here.

By the way something interesting is this episode 8 is 8man's episode.

[Axyp]

Originally Posted by GDB

I dunno, that's why I wanted to see it.



And... she wasn't in that scene before?

She could be thinking about asking him out in the future.

[Axyp]

Originally Posted by n120cky

Well from another POV the problem also could be resolved even Hachiman is lying, Hachiman has 2 problem here: coldwar in the club and joint christmas event, the efficient way to solve will be making the club to help at joint christmas event, that's one throw of stone for two bird. If he is lying he is a very bad person, but he said himself that he is a big liars.

Also he refuse hand held from Yui which is that genuine thing from Yui..., And I feel like Hachiman just throwing puzzle at the club by saying he want the genuine thing, the fact is neither Yui or Yukino understand that. I think it would be easy if Hachiman just say he want to understand. That make me feel Hachiman playing string here.

By the way something interesting is this episode 8 is 8man's episode.

The conflict happened for two reasons:
1. Yukino disagrees with Hachiman's way of doing things, because he always ends up hurting either himself (culture festival), Yui (fake confessioin), or Yukino (fake confession, student council thing).
2. Yukino thought that her relationship with Yui and Hachiman was superficial (not real friendship) due to how those two acted around her lately: they did not adress issue 1, Yui acted like nothing happened, Hachiman lied to both of them and helped Iroha behind their backs. Everyone believed that their bonds with each-other would fall apart if they started talking about these 'serious things'. But real friendships don't fall apart after just one silly argument. Acting all afraid makes their relationship look weak, fake, and shallow.

What the three accomplished this episode is to convince each-other that every single one of them cares a lot for the others, and that their relationship is real. This means that the club will not fall apart.
Now that issue 2 is cleared up, they'll be able to adress issue 1, I think. But first, they need to help Iroha and Tsurumi.

What Hachiman said in his monologue was that he doesn't want to have friends just for the sake of having friends.
He wants to have people around to whom he can reveal even his darkest and ugliest side (his desire to understand everyone and the fear that leads to said desire) and still be accepted.
...true friends, or a lover would fulfill that condition.

[Arya]

Originally Posted by n120cky

Well from another POV the problem also could be resolved even Hachiman is lying, Hachiman has 2 problem here: coldwar in the club and joint christmas event, the efficient way to solve will be making the club to help at joint christmas event, that's one throw of stone for two bird. If he is lying he is a very bad person, but he said himself that he is a big liars.

Also he refuse hand held from Yui which is that genuine thing from Yui..., And I feel like Hachiman just throwing puzzle at the club by saying he want the genuine thing, the fact is neither Yui or Yukino understand that. I think it would be easy if Hachiman just say he want to understand. That make me feel Hachiman playing string here.

Well, despite theoretically it could be a possibility, it wouldn't make much sense
About genuineness I guess the point is that Sensei gave him the hint, but it's a bit vague even for himself.
We could assume it being something very close to Yui's way, putting always the heart over the obstacle, but he said that he doesn't want mere words and I took that as a critique to Yui and her way, that has a lot of heart, but lacks substance, as much as he, just after having said that, added a line for Yukino too, he said that expecting people would know what's up in your mind is delusional in regard to her to not speak up her mind to them. (But honestly personally I'd thought the same thing as her seeing them acting as Axyp explained in the post above this).
Despite being confusing that's a point a liked about this episode, that it was not something decisive, not the solution, but a beginning, for him and hopefully for Yukino too. They have to figure out what genuine really means, how it works for them, and the weight that it carries (like refusing Yui's hand).
Because regarding refusing Yui's hand, well, that was genuine, genuine from both sides, Yui has always been effusive toward Hikki as of late, but we didn't know much about what Hikki thought about it, and apparently he genuinely doesn't feel right to let her doing that. Does it mean he doesn't like it and he doesn't feel that way? Not enough data to say that yet
One thing I found odd was that during the sensei dialogue Hikki reacted to Yui name, but figuring Yukino's finding someone else didn't make him flinch. Again that could be easily explained, but still, and I have my ideas/bias and preferences and I may interpret thing differently because of it ... and despite sensei is awesome I'm rooting for someone else. What I find interesting is that both Rumi that Shizuka look like the younger and older version of Yukino. Despite Shizuka not having much in common with her.
In any case, romance wise, despite I'd like to see something happen, I don't know it we ever see anything on that side from Hikki.

[Axyp]

Originally Posted by Arya

Well, despite theoretically it could be a possibility, it wouldn't make much sense
About genuineness I guess the point is that Sensei gave him the hint, but it's a bit vague even for himself.
We could assume it being something very close to Yui's way, putting always the heart over the obstacle, but he said that he doesn't want mere words and I took that as a critique to Yui and her way, that has a lot of heart, but lacks substance, as much as he, just after having said that, added a line for Yukino too, he said that expecting people would know what's up in your mind is delusional in regard to her to not speak up her mind to them. (But honestly personally I'd thought the same thing as her seeing them acting as Axyp explained in the post above this).
Despite being confusing that's a point a liked about this episode, that it was not something decisive, not the solution, but a beginning, for him and hopefully for Yukino too. They have to figure out what genuine really means, how it works for them, and the weight that it carries (like refusing Yui's hand).
Because regarding refusing Yui's hand, well, that was genuine, genuine from both sides, Yui has always been effusive toward Hikki as of late, but we didn't know much about what Hikki thought about it, and apparently he genuinely doesn't feel right to let her doing that. Does it mean he doesn't like it and he doesn't feel that way? Not enough data to say that yet
One thing I found odd was that during the sensei dialogue Hikki reacted to Yui name, but figuring Yukino's finding someone else didn't make him flinch. Again that could be easily explained, but still, and I have my ideas/bias and preferences and I may interpret thing differently because of it ... and despite sensei is awesome I'm rooting for someone else. What I find interesting is that both Rumi that Shizuka look like the younger and older version of Yukino. Despite Shizuka not having much in common with her.
In any case, romance wise, despite I'd like to see something happen, I don't know it we ever see anything on that side from Hikki.

Yuki's a mystery man. I want to see how they animate the christmas event.

[DorkingtonPugsly]

The animation looked great this episode. Everyone looked good. Pacing is slower than I expected though so I'm not sure how far this second season'll go.

[RaymondSageClark]

This episode was good, but seriously too much Yui is not required. A little bit of Yukino and finally the big scene of Iroha.

[Soliloquy]

Originally Posted by RaymondSageClark

This episode was good, but seriously too much Yui is not required. A little bit of Yukino and finally the big scene of Iroha.

I disagree. I admit the scene with Yukinoshita and Hachiman were cute and the chemistry was great, I still appreciate the fact that this anime puts a lot of screentime to Yui developing her to be more than just a lovestruck polyanna girl she appeared to be.

On the other hand, Miura is still the same old alpha bitch sort of girl who cherishes the friendship and does everything she can to protect them but get between her and Hayama, she shows that mean streak. The only exception she sort of acts like a mature girl to is Iroha. Speaking of Iroha, she has been nothing but annoyance to me. Her mannerism and the way of speaking has been cacophonous. She almost seems like Miura but little less aggressive. She has a very little redeeming quality for all that time she's been shown. I hope next upcoming episodes redeem her bit or have a backstory to make sense of her character.

[Stark700]

Episode 9:

That was fun especially at how cute Yukino is throughout the episode during their trip. I think some people can relate to what she said about her sister though. I kinda felt bad for Iruka though considering it should be obvious what happened during the trip.

Hachiman on the other hand fun to watch especially in the beginning

I think Yui had wayyyyyyyyyy too much fun this episode

[Wandering Soul]

Both Yukino and Yui were cute this episode. Hachiman's interactions with both of them were also nice and touching. I also liked Hachiman's little moment at the beginning of the episode.

It is pretty obvious what happened between Iroha and Hayama at the end.

[Salva]

I really liked all the small hints, I had to watch the episode twice to start noticing how Iroha obviously asked Tobe for help, and so on. I also can't stop admiring how well Yukino and Hikigaya go together. WHen he's alone with Yukino Ifeel like he can be truly himself. The conversation kept going from serious to silly and they had no problems touching more difficult topics. For me that's a great friendship material. Or maybe something more. They just seem to be so comfortable around each other. With Yui I don't get this feeling, it seems forced. I kinda regret Hikigaya not taking Yukino's hand on the ride. Not romantically, just as a sign of support or sth? It would look quite nice and he could have pulled it off in a way that wasn't awkward. I had my doubts before but now I went back to hoping for Yukino Hikigaya development.

I also REALLY wanted to see reactions of Yukino and Yui to Kaori and the rest. Sadly we didn't see reactions nor solving of the problem.

[mad_season]

Did Yukino ask Hachiman to buy a drink so she can get their picture or did he present himself to get them drinks?

Pandas!

[kanon78]

Oh my eyes...I feel bad for the novel readers and even more for the anime only viewers... That's something Yui would never say; "Hikki my boy"... is she a redneck now?
Translation/fansub this bad should be illegal and considered a crime, but what can you expect from c***** trash.

The second season adaptation has been pretty good so far and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for a (final) 3rd season.

[Gundamx]

.....Why the hell 8man ask Rumi to call him gross(きもい)?

[R.LocK]

^A bit of a masochistic streak.

Originally Posted by Heliopolis

Oh my eyes...I feel bad for the novel readers and even more for the anime only viewers... That's something Yui would never say; "Hikki my boy"... is she a redneck now?
Translation/fansub this bad should be illegal and considered a crime, but what can you expect from c***** trash.

Chill out. She impersonated a freaking Santa, and 'my boy' fits perfectly with 'Hikki-kun' (and what do you know, it's not how she normally addresses him). 'sides, you aren't supposed to talk about fansubs in this thread anyway.

[~Yami~]

Spoiler for ep 9:

It is very weird to see Yukinon and Yui both go into aggressive mode even showed jealousy toward Iroha
anyway, I like how Yui really made her feelings become very obvious to Hachiman.. it is like she give a signal that she would wait for Hachiman until he developed similar feelings
Another important point is... that "Ice Queen" let her heart "melt" during this Christmas event, basically due to some "unexplained force" that let them have a nice time together without Yui and friends. I like that Yukinon basically asked Hachiman for help and devoted to try to find something special about her. This would resolved her own personal issue

Poor Iroha though... I'm sure Hayato's rejection would at least scared Miura for confessing to him as well... He basically shot down all his ships
and there is a possibility that Iroha's affection toward Hachiman might rise up since Iroha would look for consolation to Hachiman for sure

The club's atmosphere still awkward but it certainly not too bad. I really want to see Yukino and Yui's expression against those "hand-gesture" pres but they skipped them

[Benigmatica]

Episode 9:
Going to an amusement park is a good change of pace over the festival crisis. Speaking of the school festival crisis, I feel that Iroha is going to make bad decisions now that she got rejected by Hayato-kun!

[Nicaea]

Great episode, I really loved how Hikki, Yui and Yukinon opened up to each other. I'm glad to see Yukino like that, it's as if she's letting the viewer take a peek at her true face. I really wanted Hikki to tell her that she doenneed to resemble her sister, but I doubt that would help her. Her call for help was beautiful, I hope Hikki doesn't forget that.

Woa, Two face surprised me there. I wonder if that will hurt the group. Although Iroha is an underclassmen, she did get a long with Tobe and co. I wonder if the group will patch things up.

[DragoonKain3]

One thing that sucks about CR subs is that it pretty much comes out on a Saturday, of which a lot of the time I'm too busy to watch. So no choice but to watch it today, unfortunately.

Still, despite all the things going for Yukinon, I still can't get behind her ship. Heck, I'm not even sure I want to ship her with Hayama now, as I do NOT know the Yukinon we have right now. Like my order of preference for Hachiman is Iroha > Ebina > Yui > everyone else >>>>> Yukinon... so if I'm preferring stuff to out of nowhere partners like Miura to Hachiman over Yukinon, it's saying something about the huge disconnect I still feel for her character.

I dunno, last season I didn't mind much about HachimanXYukinon as long as Hayama was fine with it, but this season is different. Before, I thought Yukinon was someone who is 'rotten' in the inside as Hachiman was. Now I feel more like Yukinon is someone who just acts rotten on the outside because of what has happened to her during her childhood (I blame you Hayama for not protecting her ), but all recent revelations about her character just points in the direction that she is really just a 'nice girl' deep down. Considering that his whole spiel about how he hates 'nice girls' was one of the most defining moments of last season (topped only by his opening essay about how riajuu should just die), I just can't get behind the two of them anymore, Hayama approving it or not.

So yeah, someone said before in this thread Hachiman is just looking for someone who he can understand without being afraid of showing his true self. More and more Iroha is the 'rotten' girl that comes to mind (Ebina is a distant second because of her status as fujoshi). With Hayama rejecting Iroha, it paves the way for, at the very least, the possibility of the two getting together.



PS. The novels are SO dry. I barely finished translation of vol 6, and I have no desire to continue. So even if they had enough material for 2 cours for the 6 volumes, I'm glad they decided to trim out a lot of the 'fat' and blitzed through them last season.

Even then, I do think they're pushing Yukinon end. Hachiman preferring cats over dogs, anyone? Like the implication isn't being subtle anymore in the novels even at that point.

Originally Posted by Gundamx

.....Why the hell 8man ask Rumi to call him gross(きもい)?

Pretty sure that refers to Martian Successor Nadesico. IIRC, it's a favourite phrase of Ruri (aka RuriRuri, of which is referenced through RumiRumi). It is hilarious because she instead answers 'Baka baka', which is THE trademark phrase of Ruri.

So yeah, if you guys haven't watched Nadesico yet, please do. It's a hilarious straight up parody of the mecha genre, in the same vein this series is more or less a parody of romcom/harem anime. XD