[MANGA] Bleach Chapter 327 Discussion

[Captain Yoruichi]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

I don't think Aizen cares too much, but he also probably realized that the captains weren't going to concentrate all their force on one Espada, instead, they'd mostly be concerned with getting out of HM to defend Soul Society.

Didn't Aizen disable the Garganta (the gate thing, can't remember how it's spelled) and trap everyone that's currently in Hueco Mundo there? I suppose Urahara could probably open another but it would take a while. So they have to rely on who is already there.

Going by personality type, though, wouldn't Byakuya make the most sense to step in if Ichigo starts losing? They've tried really hard so far to match up the Espada vs. Captains. I mean look at Syazel/Mayuri and Nnoitra/Kenpachi. And Ulquiorra's skin isn't as tough as Nnoitra's, so Byakuya wouldn't necessarily have a harder time. And with Unohana, Isane, and Hanatoro there, Byakuya is probably already healed enough to fight again.

But, I, like everyone else, would like to see Unohana fight. It would be Espada #4 vs. Captain of the 4th squad. There's some match there.

[Magnus N]

Originally Posted by Captain Yoruichi

Didn't Aizen disable the Garganta (the gate thing, can't remember how it's spelled) and trap everyone that's currently in Hueco Mundo there? I suppose Urahara could probably open another but it would take a while. So they have to rely on who is already there.

Going by personality type, though, wouldn't Byakuya make the most sense to step in if Ichigo starts losing? They've tried really hard so far to match up the Espada vs. Captains. I mean look at Syazel/Mayuri and Nnoitra/Kenpachi. And Ulquiorra's skin isn't as tough as Nnoitra's, so Byakuya wouldn't necessarily have a harder time. And with Unohana, Isane, and Hanatoro there, Byakuya is probably already healed enough to fight again.

But, I, like everyone else, would like to see Unohana fight. It would be Espada #4 vs. Captain of the 4th squad. There's some match there.

If any of the captains in HM are gonna fight against Ulq it has to be Unohana, the others have allready had their fights so if Ichigo needs to be rescued Unohana is the one to do it . But sadly I see a Ichigo powerup in the near future which will allow him to defeat Ulq

[Captain Yoruichi]

I wonder if anyone will succeed in getting into Soul Society, or will they have to come to the fake K-Town for us to see them fight? (By them I mean Urahara, Yoruichi, Isshin, Ryuuken, Vizards, etc.)

And you know what I thought about the other day; if they are in Soul Society, we might also get to see Kuukaku Shiba fight, since she seems capable of it, and her, Yoruichi, and Urahara seem to have some kind of past together.

[Magnus N]

Originally Posted by Captain Yoruichi

I wonder if anyone will succeed in getting into Soul Society, or will they have to come to the fake K-Town for us to see them fight? (By them I mean Urahara, Yoruichi, Isshin, Ryuuken, Vizards, etc.)

And you know what I thought about the other day; if they are in Soul Society, we might also get to see Kuukaku Shiba fight, since she seems capable of it, and her, Yoruichi, and Urahara seem to have some kind of past together.

Personnally i doubt we will see Urahara etc fight any time soon, but if Urahara are gonna do any fighting i expect him to do so before the story moves on into SS territory since he has been exiled and cant enter

Viazards have to be entering the scene soon, they moved out right after the pendulum arc so if they dont drag their feet to much they should be in fake k-town soon.

[Ryuuken]

Originally Posted by Captain Yoruichi

I think Grimmjow is going to be like Kenpachi. He will help out Ichigo, but it's more because he wants a rematch than because he's on Ichigo's side.

Nope, Grimmjow will die, helping to defeat Ulquiorra I think.

Originally Posted by Captain Yoruichi

Aizen must be very confident in Ulquiorra's abilities, though. He's very outnumbered and yet Aizen didn't give him any back up.

I mean, look who is still in Hueco Mundo:

Good guys:
Byakuya
Kenpachi
Kurotsuchi
Ishida
Renji
Rukia
Unohana
Isane
Ichigo
Orihime
Hanatoro
Nel

Bad Guys:
Ulquiorra
Grimmjow (unable to fight)

And as far as I know, Yammy is still unaccounted for.

Either Ulquiorra is strong enough for being heavily outnumbered not to be a problem, or Aizen doesn't actually care what happens to Ulquiorra (which is a possibility given the kind of person Aizen is).

Of course he doesn't care. And I personally think Ichigo can't make it alone...
He barely defeated Grimmjow... would anyone say he is capable of defeating Noitora ? I don't think so... let alone number 4 Espada...

So... if Healed, there are many persons who could defeat him, including Nel, Byakuya, Kurotsuchi and even Ishida I think. Unohana on the other hand is just not the fighter, unless there is no other way, and since there is...

Or vote for Hanataro ! =D His Zanpaktous ability is kick ass =))

Originally Posted by Captain Yoruichi

I wonder if anyone will succeed in getting into Soul Society, or will they have to come to the fake K-Town for us to see them fight? (By them I mean Urahara, Yoruichi, Isshin, Ryuuken, Vizards, etc.)

And you know what I thought about the other day; if they are in Soul Society, we might also get to see Kuukaku Shiba fight, since she seems capable of it, and her, Yoruichi, and Urahara seem to have some kind of past together.

Well Urahara may not go to SS, because of kick ban =D

Also... I do wonder more about: will they get to Kings dimension, meeting Zero division, the royal guard =)

[MidnightViper88]

Originally Posted by Ryuuken

Unohana on the other hand is just not the fighter

Uhh, all of the high-ranking Soul Reapers are proficient in combat, regardless of what their specialty is, and more-so the case with Captains...Kurotsuchi is a strong Captain, despite his appearance to just be an R&D scientist type, so you can't underestimate the medical Unohana, especially when she's one of the most oldest Captains of the Soul Society, and we've yet to actually see her combat abilities in action in the first place (Just as we've yet to see Yamamoto, Kyōraku, and Ukitake in full combat)...

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Captain Yoruichi

Didn't Aizen disable the Garganta (the gate thing, can't remember how it's spelled) and trap everyone that's currently in Hueco Mundo there? I suppose Urahara could probably open another but it would take a while. So they have to rely on who is already there.

Yeah, but still that doesn't mean that they'll all just decide to attack Ulq for the heck of it. Really, Ichigo and the crew that originally came (Ishida, Chad, Rukia and Renji) seem to be the only ones concerned enough with Orihime that defeating Ulq takes priority. Even Kenpachi, whose always itching to fight told Ichigo getting to Karakura should be the bigger concern at the moment then going after Ulq. I think maybe the other captains share a similar attitude.

Originally Posted by Ryuuken

Of course he doesn't care. And I personally think Ichigo can't make it alone...
He barely defeated Grimmjow... would anyone say he is capable of defeating Noitora ? I don't think so... let alone number 4 Espada...

So... if Healed, there are many persons who could defeat him, including Nel, Byakuya, Kurotsuchi and even Ishida I think. Unohana on the other hand is just not the fighter, unless there is no other way, and since there is...

Probably won't be any interference from anyone (except possibly Orihime), not anything that determines the outcome of the battle anyway. Karma kinda demands that Ichigo is the one to defeat Ulqiuorria. Too much has happened between those two for anyone else to do the job. Noi was just some jerk who showed up and kicked Ichigo while he was down, so it was ok for someone else to take him out, but Ulq threw down the gauntlet and issued a challenge.

As for his ability to actually win...Ulq's already said that Ichigo's power at its highest outdoes his own so it's definitely plausible for him to win. He struggled against GJ, but Orihime's doubts about him were partially to blame for that. Also, the time limit on the mask has been an issue but his willpower to keep it on has got much better during the fight with Grimm. If Ichigo can fight a fight full power, without the mask crumbling or Hichigo interfering, or any nagging doubts he should be more than a match for unreleased Ulq.

[Ryuuken]

Originally Posted by MidnightViper88

Uhh, all of the high-ranking Soul Reapers are proficient in combat, regardless of what their specialty is, and more-so the case with Captains...Kurotsuchi is a strong Captain, despite his appearance to just be an R&D scientist type, so you can't underestimate the medical Unohana, especially when she's one of the most oldest Captains of the Soul Society, and we've yet to actually see her combat abilities in action in the first place (Just as we've yet to see Yamamoto, Kyōraku, and Ukitake in full combat)...

I don't say she isn't powerful, I say she won't fight. She only heals, she is not aggressive...

As long as there is some other who can handle the fight, she won't

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Yeah, but still that doesn't mean that they'll all just decide to attack Ulq for the heck of it. Really, Ichigo and the crew that originally came (Ishida, Chad, Rukia and Renji) seem to be the only ones concerned enough with Orihime that defeating Ulq takes priority. Even Kenpachi, whose always itching to fight told Ichigo getting to Karakura should be the bigger concern at the moment then going after Ulq. I think maybe the other captains share a similar attitude.

Probably won't be any interference from anyone (except possibly Orihime), not anything that determines the outcome of the battle anyway. Karma kinda demands that Ichigo is the one to defeat Ulqiuorria. Too much has happened between those two for anyone else to do the job. Noi was just some jerk who showed up and kicked Ichigo while he was down, so it was ok for someone else to take him out, but Ulq threw down the gauntlet and issued a challenge.

As for his ability to actually win...Ulq's already said that Ichigo's power at its highest outdoes his own so it's definitely plausible for him to win. He struggled against GJ, but Orihime's doubts about him were partially to blame for that. Also, the time limit on the mask has been an issue but his willpower to keep it on has got much better during the fight with Grimm. If Ichigo can fight a fight full power, without the mask crumbling or Hichigo interfering, or any nagging doubts he should be more than a match for unreleased Ulq.

Honestly I'm not even sure if anyone will kill Ulquiorra.
Not in terms of strength but... the last chapters, Ulquiorra seemed way to impressed by emotions, so...
I don't know, he was never the evil guy to begin with. Like he never attacked someone in the first place.
Of course there has to be a conclusive fight showing everything of his powers and stuff... but I'm not sure which direction it will take after that.

But as for Grimmjow, I think he will pretty much die... also a feeling

I mean we know, because of Nel, that Espada may become good (unaffected by misplaced rage against shinigami for no apparent reasons, not blinded by Aizen)

[jelome1989]

Originally Posted by Ryuuken

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Like he never attacked someone in the first place.

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i never thought of that.
he never did atack someone without him getting attacked first.

well if he's gonna keep his word (way back when he talked to Grimmjow -
"...when the time comes I'll destroy him myself..." something like that)
he's gonna attak first and fight Ichigo to death.

How is Kubo-sensei gonna do it?

[Zu Ra]

Credits : Zangetsu

[Casshern]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

As for his ability to actually win...Ulq's already said that Ichigo's power at its highest outdoes his own ....

Not doubting you, but can you remind me when he said it?

[Ryuuken]

Originally Posted by neuromancer

Not doubting you, but can you remind me when he said it?

That was when Ulquiorra and Yammy invaded Karakura Town for the first time.
While fighting Yammy, Ulquiorra noticed that Ichigo's power fluctuate very much, and that at his peak, its higher than his own...

[Salamandra]

Originally Posted by neuromancer

Not doubting you, but can you remind me when he said it?

Chapter 193, "At one moment he's trash and then the next... He's even more powerful than I"

[Casshern]

Thanks, I remember it now

[holypanl]

@above: ^^^

That was during the first espada appearance when Ulquiorra and Yammy came to Karakura and Yammy began sucking out souls like a 'tard. When Ichigo came after Chad had been owned, Ulquiorra surmises that Ichigo's reiatsu "is sometimes pathetically low, while at others even stronger than mine".

This is still no exsuse for Oda if Ichigo betas Ulquiorra, though: even through Ichigo may probably the POTENTIAL to defeat Ulquiorra, they should take time to GROW into strength. As yet, Ichigo is unable to even control his Reiatsu flow. I really can't see this kind of noob pwning ulquiorra. Just...nah...

Originally Posted by ZGoten

@holypanl

One little conversation with old Zangetsu will be enough for Ichigo to handle Ulquiorra -
"The Enemy is one, you are one [...] hesitate and you will age..." stuff like that.

Followed by a "Sorry Ulquiorra, I can´t lose...now die!".^^

And I supose you must think this is very cool. Now I'm not actually saying that internal, soul-deep, character experiences aren't cool. Heck: Rurouni Kenshin had some good ones to set an exmaple, but the way Kubo does them...isn't cool.

Spoiler for Read this or DIE!!1234:

I'll draw a reference to One Piece: Eichiro Oda, Mangaka for One Piece wrote a scene using Roronoa Zoro, the First Mate of Luffy's, the main character's pirate crew. Please be encouraged to read chapter 195 of One Piece to understand what I'm saying. In this chapter, Zoro, a swordsman discovers how to cut through metal using the 'Haki' technique, by undergoing an internal experience. But there are several key differences between the way Eichiro Oda does this scene, and the way Kubo Tite did the Zangetsu scene with Ichigo during Ichigo vs Kenpachi.

1) Zoro gains a new strength, the understanding of the use of Haki and spirit csynchronization to cut through metal. He actually gains this power now as part of his repertoire.

2)Zoro's internal experience isn't just a sort of "I need this right now to beat this guy, and then I pretty much seem to remain at the same power level afterward" boost like Ichogo's. Zoro, later on, is shown to TRAIN with this technique, and become better.

After Ichigo attains Synch with Zangetsu, the manga doesn't show anywhere that he trains to keep up link with Zangetsu, and it doesn't re-iterate the sense od development that he has gained. Instead, the author concentrates, immediately on MORE...BATTLE...MUST...FIGHT...DRAW FIGHT SCENE..., if you get my drift.

Look at the scnene toward the end of One piece ch 195 and compare it with the Zangetsu Inner World Experience.

Very Different.

Originally Posted by Ryuuken

Honestly I'm not even sure if anyone will kill Ulquiorra.
Not in terms of strength but... the last chapters, Ulquiorra seemed way to impressed by emotions, so...
I don't know, he was never the evil guy to begin with. Like he never attacked

Yeah your post here makes sense. Ulquiorra does eem to be the logical, yet emotionally stirred type, like a conjecturer and observer of life. He may go down in the typical Sephiroth kind of way, not as having been defeated, but rather deciding to just close off on his own. Probably.

And yeah, he's kinda not evil, but he's got a strange sense of humour, and finds strange means of entertaining himself; he deliberately decides to tell Ichigo that he had brought Orihime to Hueco Mundo, even when he knows it's kinda pointless, and that He doesn't actually want to fight either.

Made him look cooler, though

[Sabaku Kyu]

Originally Posted by Ryuuken

Honestly I'm not even sure if anyone will kill Ulquiorra.
Not in terms of strength but... the last chapters, Ulquiorra seemed way to impressed by emotions, so

Who said anything about killing him? He can certainly be defeated without being killed. Ichigo tends to show mercy on his opponents anyway.

Originally Posted by jelome1989

i never thought of that.
he never did atack someone without him getting attacked first.

Well, he maimed those two shinigami escorting Orihime without a thought. They did have their weapons drawn though.

[Zu Ra]

I saw a colored pic which was posted with Naruto Spoilers . The characters in that pic have an uncanny resemblance to Chad and Ichigo though I am not sure

EDIT: After Zooming, PIC IS INDEED FROM BLEACH . I could identify Chad Ichigo Renji




Cedits : Vered

[Alchemist007]

I think hoodie is ukitake (wtf?) or Ikkaku. Back is probably Ishida.

[Ryuuken]

I just love KT's artworks =D

[jelome1989]

Originally Posted by Sabaku Kyu

Who said anything about killing him? He can certainly be defeated without being killed. Ichigo tends to show mercy on his opponents anyway.

We'll just have to wait and see what happens.
(but when will that be? next year? )

My head says Ichigo wins, but my wants go for Ulquiorra

Well, he maimed those two shinigami escorting Orihime without a thought. They did have their weapons drawn though.

heh and he did punch Yami real hard.