2008-04-18, 21:43 | Link #382 |
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look, would you really say something like "your existance is a mistake!" to somebody you're taking revenge on because they killed your girlfriend? That doesn't make any sense. More likely you would be saying stuff like 'you piece of sh*t' and 'give her back' and 'I'm gonna cut off your fingers, ears, and nose one by one, then rip your skin off in little pieces, then pour gasoline into your eyes and set fire to your hair so you can wait for the flame to reach your eyes and then eventually your brain while you scream in agony'. Suzaku isn't taking revenge for Euphie. At all. Didn't you notice? All thoughts and words of him killing Zero in revenge disappeared the moment Suzaku found out he was Lelouch. At that point in time he is thinking about what Lelouch has done and why he has done it, and that is what leads to him rejecting Lelouch (yeah, rejecting. That's what Suzaku is doing, nothing else. Suzaku is rejecting Lelouch's very existance, saying that he is something that shouldn't exist in this world, and he's not saying that for his past, he's saying that for what he believes to be everybody's future.) so utterly and completely. Suzaku doesn't want to kill Lelouch. He understands him (or believes he does, and you can't fault him at all for what he sees Lelouch as being--again, see the sound episode I linked above). Suzaku may even think that he created him, this Lelouch, the Lelouch he sees before his eyes. That's why he does what he does.
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2008-04-18, 22:14 | Link #384 |
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lol really now. hm...I'll buy it for a dollar!
Yes, that's what I'm telling you, because doing it for Euphie's sake is the thing that wouldn't make sense. Seriously, if you tried looking a little harder Suzaku's actions wouldn't appear nearly so nonsensical. |
2008-04-18, 23:03 | Link #387 | |
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[QUOTE=Sol Falling;1544609]look, would you really say something like "your existance is a mistake!" to somebody you're taking revenge on because they killed your girlfriend? That doesn't make any sense. More likely you would be saying stuff like 'you piece of sh*t' and 'give her back' and 'I'm gonna cut off your fingers, ears, and nose one by one, then rip your skin off in little pieces, then pour gasoline into your eyes and set fire to your hair so you can wait for the flame to reach your eyes and then eventually your brain while you scream in agony'.
[quote] Having a situation like that it's hard to imagine how anyone would react. So guessing on it is hard to do. Quote:
That being said I actually do feel pity for Suzaku's character as I have no doubt he is going to get alot of suffering this season and probably death assuming it is only a 50 episode series. |
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2008-04-18, 23:40 | Link #389 |
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hahaha. :P You know who I feel sorry for? All the Suzaku hater's, 'cause they're never gonna get what they want from the actual show. Suzaku may be an antagonist, but never has he been shown to be a bad person. You'd be deluding yourself to think that the writers are going to give him any kind of ending which degrades his character or his resolutions.
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2008-04-19, 00:24 | Link #393 |
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The call for death probably comes more from his character archetype and silly bias hatred by fans. Characters of this type tend to eventually die, whether or not they are redeemed is usually what it comes down to. Though, if CG follows the current route, I don't see Suzaku being redeemed, though I don't necessarily see him dieing either. (But then I didn't see Euphie dieing even with all the foreshadowing.)
Every character is flawed, yes, but most of them are able to admit to that, Suzaku... is resistant to changing his methods. He's overall inert. |
2008-04-19, 00:29 | Link #394 |
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Yeah you steer him in that one direction and he'll just bulldoze his way through.
But again it goes back to what Toudo taught him, if you decide on that path then you must see it to the end regardless. Isn't Lelouch doing the same? He's plowing his way for his objective to the end and hasn't changed anything at all. Neither has changed his methods (Though the former one is a tad ridiculous mind you). It could be the part that Suzaku has drawn himself into a corner and has only one path to follow. I mean after Season 1 I had trouble imaging what the heck Suzaku was going to be doing for Season 2 and still am. |
2008-04-19, 00:34 | Link #395 | |
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You could say that Lelouch hasn't changed anything, but he has given people actual hope. Suzaku really hasn't accomplished that for longer than a fraction of an episode. I'll agree that they haven't changed their methods, but, as you said, one is far more ridiculous than the other. I'm with the idea that Suzaku will do what he's made his life into, and eventually either die with his lies or something quite bad will happen to him. Either way, he's lost his homeland forever. There's no plot point that could, that I can see, reconcile Japan and Suzaku. |
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2008-04-19, 00:39 | Link #396 |
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Which doesn't really matter. Suzaku would want to stay with Britannia til the end anyway. And while the Emperor will probably lose I don't think there will be a Britannian genocide or destruction or anything like that.
If Suzaku does die on the other hand, it will not be a happy occasion. I don't think anyone in show will cheer or anything like that. Lelouch will no doubt be crying not laughing at his corpse. |
2008-04-19, 00:43 | Link #397 | |
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No one said it'd be a happy occasion, but it is a possible one. |
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2008-04-19, 01:22 | Link #398 |
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Suzaku is doing it for revenge. What he is trying to do, and this becomes clear in the last picture book, is , make it seem that he isn't doing it for revenge. He claims he is doing it for the sake of Euphemia and Nunnally when really he is doing it for himself.
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2008-04-19, 01:46 | Link #399 | |
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Suzaku has simply decided to judge the world as he sees fit, and he's decided that the system should remain. Now is that simply because he can't forgive Lelouch for Euphie? maybe. Is it a knowingly selfish act? yes. But it's nothing as simple as mere revenge on Lelouch. |
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