F/sn Future Speculation discussion

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by demon_god04

Spoiler for reply to Rider/Sakura:

I AM hoping that Sakura is going to get to pop Shinji's head though.... But again I dont see Rider surviving for any HF unfortunately -.-

Spoiler for Sakura:

Well Shinji's gonna go someway.. and Sakura poping sounds like the best way to go~!

I'm hoping Sakura's at least thinking about Rider in some way to do with the story.. i hate that she's been left out of the main story. ;_;

[Captain_Dope]

Spoiler for my comments and speculations. Also contains some spoilers about Mai-Hime:

We all have our favourite characters and the least we want is to let them die. My favourite is Rider and if she dies I would loose a big reason to follow the anime. But we have to face the facts. There is a war for the holy grail, involving 7 masters and 7 servants. In the end only 1 master and 1 servant can remain and that means that the other 6 masters and/or servants have to die. So sooner or later I guess we have to expect to say good bye to several characters.

But I feel Rider's part in the anime is far from over. If you ask me it's still to early to start killing off characters. They still have not explained what or who Rider actually is, the reason she keeps her eyes hidden and the special powers the eyes have. I would love to see Rider without that blindfold Also, like other people have mentioned, there are hints that there will be something between Sakura and Rider in the future. As it stands now, Sakura has barely any role in the series. But with Rider she can get more screentime and a bigger role. My guess is that Sakura will somehow take over as Rider's master.

To those that want to know who Rider is: She is one of the 3 gorgons, Medusa. She can turn anyone to turn by simply looking at them. That's why she keeps her eyes hidden.

Spoiler for here comes the Mai-Hime spoilers:

Remember in Mai-Hime how half the character list died, and then were magically resurrected? I feel there will be a similar ending for Fate staynight where everyone are alive and happy.

This is a anime after all and most anime's usually end happily. The question is, how long will the series last? Most anime series I follow tend to make each season 24-26 episodes long. If that's the same for fate stay/night, I seriously doubt that the series can be finished in the remaining episodes of the season. So either the anime creators have to make one long season, or simply make more than one season. Fate staynight is a popular series and the more popularity it gets the more money the anime makers get, which is why they probably don't want the series end too early but prolong it.

[demon_god04]

Originally Posted by Captain_Dope

Spoiler for my comments and speculations. Also contains some spoilers about Mai-Hime:

We all have our favourite characters and the least we want is to let them die. My favourite is Rider and if she dies I would loose a big reason to follow the anime. But we have to face the facts. There is a war for the holy grail, involving 7 masters and 7 servants. In the end only 1 master and 1 servant can remain and that means that the other 6 masters and/or servants have to die. So sooner or later I guess we have to expect to say good bye to several characters.

But I feel Rider's part in the anime is far from over. If you ask me it's still to early to start killing off characters. They still have not explained what or who Rider actually is, the reason she keeps her eyes hidden and the special powers the eyes have. I would love to see Rider without that blindfold Also, like other people have mentioned, there are hints that there will be something between Sakura and Rider in the future. As it stands now, Sakura has barely any role in the series. But with Rider she can get more screentime and a bigger role. My guess is that Sakura will somehow take over as Rider's master.

To those that want to know who Rider is: She is one of the 3 gorgons, Medusa. She can turn anyone to turn by simply looking at them. That's why she keeps her eyes hidden.

Spoiler for here comes the Mai-Hime spoilers:

Remember in Mai-Hime how half the character list died, and then were magically resurrected? I feel there will be a similar ending for Fate staynight where everyone are alive and happy.

This is a anime after all and most anime's usually end happily. The question is, how long will the series last? Most anime series I follow tend to make each season 24-26 episodes long. If that's the same for fate stay/night, I seriously doubt that the series can be finished in the remaining episodes of the season. So either the anime creators have to make one long season, or simply make more than one season. Fate staynight is a popular series and the more popularity it gets the more money the anime makers get, which is why they probably don't want the series end too early but prolong it.

Spoiler for reply to spoiler, may contain game spoilers:

Well the thing is the game has 3 differant scenarios If they want to include everything then no a single season is not going to be enough, not to mention that it would screw with the consistency of the storylines. As for Riders part, I really doubt they will have her survive what is to come, the Rider and Saber fight just won't have the impact if Rider does survive. Not to mention that in so far all the fights have been touch and go affairs, with no resolution, if another fight ends with the servants surviving then the war will lose its tension. Its a war, theres going to be casualties even if they are characters we like. They HAVE been alluding to Sakura and Rider somewhat but the big question is can they fit it in in the time that is alotted?

And there is no magical reset button in Fate/stay night im afraid, its just not that kind of story. Your decisions and actions have consequences and one must learn to live or die by them.

I believe that someone posted some info awhile back saying the series was going to run for 26 eps? somewhere around there. I actually dont want them to continue on for more then that since it would seem like they would just be watering down the plot and milking it for money, and I dont see Fate/stay night to be one of those series where they just dont know when to end *cough*dbz*cough* I would rather they animate each scenario separately in one form or another rather then it turning into one long anime.

[stormy001_M1A2]

Then the writers of F/SN anime must be prepared to kill characters. Not succumbing to fanboy pleading. The story is constructed in such a way that death is important plot push in story.

I don't think Sakura's role will get anymore significant in this anime. Maybe they will do OVA based on HF to get more money and to maintain the intregity of the story.

[Shikimori Kazuki]

it seems like Sakura wont have a big impact in the story UNLESS this anime is 24+(in episodes that is) but no..is not. perhaps there might even be a 2nd season OR OVA that involves the 4 day of Hollow Ataraxia, now that would be interesting eh.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Shikimori Kazuki

OR OVA that involves the 4 day of Hollow Ataraxia, now that would be interesting eh.

That would be a pretty fun idea & i can imagine the funky music they'd use.. but - i can't see it happening. ;_;

[Captain_Dope]

Spoiler for more Rider/Sakura speculation:

Servants are obliged to serve their masters but they don't like when the masters are weak. It seems Rider does not like Shinji because he is a weak coward and only treats her as a mere slave. It's much different between Saber and Shirou because they have actually become friends and companions. That's why I think it's possible that there will be Rider x Sakura because Sakura is a a more caring person than Shinji. She would treat Rider with respect and Sakura can probably fight much better than Shinji if she wants to. I guess with Sakura, Rider can become stronger.

And about Rider's possible death within the next 2 episdoes. In my previous post I said it's too early to kill Rider because the anime creators have not mentioned any info or her background. For those that don't know anything about the game, they very likely have no idea what Rider's noble phantasm is. They only saw a pair of wings in episode 11. So that means the anime creators have 2 episodes to explain what Rider is and show the true form of her noble phantasm. But if they don't, it means they are either lazy and simply decide to kill Rider and move on, or they are saving her good parts for later.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Captain_Dope

Spoiler for more Rider/Sakura speculation:

And about Rider's possible death within the next 2 episdoes. In my previous post I said it's too early to kill Rider because the anime creators have not mentioned any info or her background. For those that don't know anything about the game, they very likely have no idea what Rider's noble phantasm is. They only saw a pair of wings in episode 11. So that means the anime creators have 2 episodes to explain what Rider is and show the true form of her noble phantasm. But if they don't, it means they are either lazy and simply decide to kill Rider and move on, or they are saving her good parts for later.

Spoiler for Sakura/Rider:

They could easily talk about Rider's past even after her death, with the aid of Sakura.. and that could lead to more Sakura goodness as far as the anime goes.

[Village Idiot]

Spoiler for game spoiler about Sakura/Rider:

Maybe Sakura unconciously Command Seals Rider away at the last possible moment?

She is Rider's true Master after all.

[Captain_Dope]

Spoiler for Sakura/rider:

Maybe Sakura is the true master of Rider, and Shinji somehow took control of her? I guess we will find out in the next 2 episodes what Rider's fate will be. I don't want her to die at least not yet. She can't be the first servant to die

According to this site http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1...tay_night.html

The series will be 24 episodes long. That should mean that there will be a second season because I doubt they can finish it with the remaining 13 episodes. As it stands now, all 7 masters and servants are alive and there are still many unanswered questions. We haven't seen Lancer for a long time and don't know who his master is. We also don't know so much about Caster and Assassin either.

[demon_god04]

Its doubtful they will have another season of Fate/stay night, you mention how they might not manage to finish the series in the remaining 24 eps and at the same time say its still too earily for Rider to go the Fate way...

Unfortunatly Fate/stay night's 3 differant scenarios cant really be merged into one coherrent storyline without it being a jumbled mess so I really doubt they will try to prolong the series. More likely they will fit what they can into the anime but inevitebly they will have to leave things out.....

Spoiler for continuation of rambling may have game spoilers:

They can still add in bits of Sakura's backstory but as it stands now shes very much a supporting character, not a main character like Shirou, Rin and Saber. Seems to me the Anime will put more focus on Fate with Shirou's struggle with Archer from UBW thrown in.

In the end I agree with stormy001_M1A2

Originally Posted by stormy001_M1A2

Then the writers of F/SN anime must be prepared to kill characters. Not succumbing to fanboy pleading. The story is constructed in such a way that death is important plot push in story.

I don't think Sakura's role will get anymore significant in this anime. Maybe they will do OVA based on HF to get more money and to maintain the intregity of the story.

[Moon Eclipse]

Originally Posted by Captain_Dope

Spoiler for my comments and speculations. Also contains some spoilers about Mai-Hime:

We all have our favourite characters and the least we want is to let them die. My favourite is Rider and if she dies I would loose a big reason to follow the anime. But we have to face the facts. There is a war for the holy grail, involving 7 masters and 7 servants. In the end only 1 master and 1 servant can remain and that means that the other 6 masters and/or servants have to die. So sooner or later I guess we have to expect to say good bye to several characters.

But I feel Rider's part in the anime is far from over. If you ask me it's still to early to start killing off characters. They still have not explained what or who Rider actually is, the reason she keeps her eyes hidden and the special powers the eyes have. I would love to see Rider without that blindfold Also, like other people have mentioned, there are hints that there will be something between Sakura and Rider in the future. As it stands now, Sakura has barely any role in the series. But with Rider she can get more screentime and a bigger role. My guess is that Sakura will somehow take over as Rider's master.

To those that want to know who Rider is: She is one of the 3 gorgons, Medusa. She can turn anyone to turn by simply looking at them. That's why she keeps her eyes hidden.

Spoiler for here comes the Mai-Hime spoilers:

Remember in Mai-Hime how half the character list died, and then were magically resurrected? I feel there will be a similar ending for Fate staynight where everyone are alive and happy.

This is a anime after all and most anime's usually end happily. The question is, how long will the series last? Most anime series I follow tend to make each season 24-26 episodes long. If that's the same for fate stay/night, I seriously doubt that the series can be finished in the remaining episodes of the season. So either the anime creators have to make one long season, or simply make more than one season. Fate staynight is a popular series and the more popularity it gets the more money the anime makers get, which is why they probably don't want the series end too early but prolong it.

Spoiler for My own speculations:

Personally given the rate of development, I think The Rider x Sakura ark is going to come pretty soon. Shirou's almost at his breaking point (his strangling and threatening Shinji's life as an example of that) but he's not quite there yet. Everything's been pushing him to give up his "Hero" ideals and face reality. I think Saruka will embody the final choice for him... She'll be the one he feels he has to surrender his life to save.

As for Shinji? I hope his head does pop off...

Originally Posted by demon_god04

Its doubtful they will have another season of Fate/stay night, you mention how they might not manage to finish the series in the remaining 24 eps and at the same time say its still too earily for Rider to go the Fate way...

Unfortunatly Fate/stay night's 3 differant scenarios cant really be merged into one coherrent storyline without it being a jumbled mess so I really doubt they will try to prolong the series. More likely they will fit what they can into the anime but inevitebly they will have to leave things out.....

Spoiler for continuation of rambling may have game spoilers:

They can still add in bits of Sakura's backstory but as it stands now shes very much a supporting character, not a main character like Shirou, Rin and Saber. Seems to me the Anime will put more focus on Fate with Shirou's struggle with Archer from UBW thrown in.

In the end I agree with stormy001_M1A2

Through it's true there can't be a full melding, there's already signs of particle melding of the storylines. I think they've modified each to be able to input parts they felt make each story great. Of course out of the three we all know which they used to the main plot and theme

[Xellos-_^]

So how does Rider "death" look and did

Spoiler:

Sakura do anything strange

[MakubeX2]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

So how does Rider "death" look and did

Spoiler:

Sakura do anything strange

Rider's dead. Accept it.

And from the apperance of Ilya and Berserker in Ep 12. We can safely assume that

Spoiler:

Shinji will be dead at their hands. So Sakura will not be doing the honour of exiting Shinji from the anime.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

Spoiler:

Shinji will be dead at their hands. So Sakura will not be doing the honour of exiting Shinji from the anime.

Spoiler:

I had a feeling that they wouldn't have Sakura killing Shinji in the anime, seems a lil' bit to extra for the anime - would have been good though.

[tragicsmile]

Originally Posted by MakubeX2

Spoiler:

Shinji will be dead at their hands. So Sakura will not be doing the honour of exiting Shinji from the anime.

Sad but likely. I fear that Sakura might be thrust further and further into the background and turned into the cliché annoying childhood friend-slave.

edit: Xellos, it's mantra. ;p

[Xellos-_^]

I am still not a 100% convince that Rider is completely gone.

Shinji had his command sutra in a book. Why is that? Both Rin and Shirou had thiers on the back of their hands. So why is Shinji's command sutra in book What is so special about Rider and Shinji that Shinji's command sutra is not where everyone elses are. Now it doesn't mean anything right now since we only see 3 masters, four counting caster. But if a few more masters show up and thier command sutra are also on the back of thier hands then we got something here.

[Sushi-Y]

Originally Posted by Xellos-_^

I am still not a 100% convince that Rider is completely gone.

Shinji had his command sutra in a book. Why is that? Both Rin and Shirou had thiers on the back of their hands. So why is Shinji's command sutra in book What is so special about Rider and Shinji that Shinji's command sutra is not where everyone elses are. Now it doesn't mean anything right now since we only see 3 masters, four counting caster. But if a few more masters show up and thier command sutra are also on the back of thier hands then we got something here.

Spoiler for for the book:

If we take the Heavens Feel definitions, that's because it's not a command seal (what I call it), and Shinji isn't really a master.

The shapes and locations of command seals differ from people to people, some have it on their hands, others have it on other parts of their body, but it's on them.

Shinji's book, "Book of False Minister", was a "command mechanism" that allowed him to control Rider, and like I mentioned in Episode 12's thread, the fact that it burned only means that "Rider was pushed too far and burned out", and doesn't necessarily mean she's dead. Shinji actually burned through 2 of these books in Heavens Feel, and Rider still managed to live in the end.

Now, the scene of Rin looking up at Sakura's room's window sadly, Sakura looking out the window (most likely) at the end of the battle between Saber and Rider, and saying something, all suggests Sakura is somehow involved in all this. In other words, Heavens Feel contents.

I do agree that Rider is probably gone for now, and according to the episode previews, they'll be moving on the the Ilya/Berserker battle next, which should feature Archer's Unlimited Blade Works. For there on, there's no telling what they'll do. It seems almost impossible to work in anything from Heavens Feel at this point, but the hints still suggest they'll get Sakura involved one way or another.

After the Berserker battle, it should be Caster/Assassin/"Caster's Master"'s "arc" next, I think if HF contents is to come in at some point, it'll have to be there (since, technically, the Heavens Feel-y stuff all began in the Ryudo Temple).

[Mr. Guy]

Spoiler for Regarding Rider:

The way I see it, Sakura could have said two possible things. One of them being the "Goodbye, I'll miss you" kind of deal. Kind of what everyone would expect. The other of the two possible things were her using her Command Mantra to force Rider to dissappear.

I don't know why, but as the night goes on I've been leaning towards the latter rather then my initial impression of the former. Could just be wishful thinking.

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by Mr. Guy

Spoiler for Regarding Rider:

The way I see it, Sakura could have said two possible things. One of them being the "Goodbye, I'll miss you" kind of deal. Kind of what everyone would expect. The other of the two possible things were her using her Command Mantra to force Rider to dissappear.

Spoiler:

The way i see it, i think you're right there - its probably one of them two.. of course i'm hoping its more along the lines of the second one. Who knows when we'll find out what Sakura really said, maybe it'll come out when she's talking to Rin.. maybe.