2007-12-24, 14:00 | Link #62 |
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@Shii:
I had a good laugh at your "stunning, seamless sign work", way to go for fanboyism of work that was nothing special.(and better afx work had been done far away in the past before that, including by ec-chi from triad, even back in the UA times) I still think that whole page is a troll flame fest inviting lair, just there to show off some love for a few given groups. Just the few select groups being repetidely shows that imho. |
2007-12-25, 02:38 | Link #63 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Nagoya, Japan
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OrochiTux recently mentioned to yours truly about the possibility of re-releasing the series with a DVD source, but since Shinsen churned out the whole series backed with a shiny DVD source not so long ago, your guess is as good as mine as to whether or not it'll go ahead. Anyhow, apologies for the digression. |
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2007-12-25, 04:18 | Link #64 | |
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Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Yokosuka, JP
Age: 43
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BTW, the first ppl to really use MKV big time were the anime dvd rippers, not the fansubbers. |
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2007-12-25, 11:42 | Link #65 | |
Afflicted by the vanities
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Fish-shape Paumanok
Age: 36
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I was really talking about softsub adoption.
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2007-12-25, 18:58 | Link #69 |
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Age: 38
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Does it really matter? Whether you (or I) like it or not they are a part of this online community and they have influenced the overall fansubbing community to use these technologies. They started using MKV and softsubs sooner because the format had similar features to DVD, meaning multiple audio tracks, video with or without subtitles, chapters... In other words, no, your group didn't have much influence--if any--over this issue.
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2007-12-25, 22:54 | Link #70 |
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Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Stockholm, Sweden
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Indeed, what might have been the real big influence was that several DVD rippers moved into the actual fansubbing community (mostly as encoders and to a lesser degree as typesetters/editors/timers) in 2004-2005. I'd say that's one of the larger influences on the technology used in fansubs.
(Just take a look at the origins of CCCP, and how some of the features of Aegisub mostly useful for processing OCR'ed subtitles.)
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2007-12-26, 02:25 | Link #71 | |
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2008-01-15, 06:08 | Link #73 | |
ANBU Editor/QC
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Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Rizon IRC Network, Saizen Discord Server
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I know some who generally don't think of DVD ripping as fansubbing, and are not too concerned with karaoke and having things in HD when divx3 and colored romanji text was a familiar sight and people today still watch shows on youtube/mobile devices in whatever video quality. The enjoyment of subbing was simply working to spread anime ourselves to give something back. That was it. I remember when Soldats unleashed its first pair of 50 send slot XDCC bots and the world was thrilled. It was a simple kind of enjoyment. We didn't really care about download counts really, until bittorrent showed up. Now, fansubbers derive fun and enjoyment in a different way: technical ingenuity. You can't deny what the past few years have done for us technologically. Aegisub, CCCP, developments in x264, containers, softsubs with chapters, etc. While technology is not the end-all-be-all of what a fansub should be, this is the trend. You could call it an extension of the ambitions we had for our time, so in a sense it's not entirely different from back then. With that, you draw in a different class of people. And since the DVD rippers sort of came in and gave everybody new weapons and toys, most of the newer subbers worship and easily forgive the rippers for any ethical shortcomings, as it is now about quantity over quality, for the most part. We're dealing with 250+ shows a year after all, people, many of which we hope get licensed in some capacity, if domestic companies can still afford to do them all. If not, I think it's fair for us to step in, using whatever we have in the arsenal. That said, what the older subbers experienced was a product of its time. As time passes, things change, and subbers now enjoy the hobby in different way. Those before them built the bridge, and those after them aim to make it wider, stronger and prettier. But I know there'll always be a few who, behind all the sparkly AFX and shiny HD graphics, will remember the fundamentals, the simple enjoyment, that has kept fansubbing going for more than 25 years. Last edited by Ayanami9870; 2008-01-15 at 06:21. |
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