2009-03-14, 11:37 | Link #21 |
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Honestly, Saorin is such a b**ch that I am having a real hard time sympathising with her as a character. Shuu's sister is even worse. They're the two characters that I cannot stand overall. I keep wishing they'd get over themselves and see that other people are suffering because of their behaviour (and not just them).
I'm only up to Chapter 54 at the moment but I'm looking forward to Chapter 58 just to see Yoshino's new look. Poor Mako-chan....the kid's going to have a real complex when he gets older. I'd love it if this manga kept going until they graduate high school. It would be interesting to see how Shuu and Yoshino deal with their chosen identities beyond the sphere of family and childhood friends.
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2009-03-14, 23:21 | Link #22 | |
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2009-03-16, 21:43 | Link #23 |
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Gah, tell me about it She's so obsessed with being "normal" she doesn't realise how abnormal-seeming her own obsession with her brother's fluid sexuality is. I think she wants him to change because it bothers her how popular Shuu is. He's adorable and just himself.
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Honestly, though, Saorin needs to get over herself. She's in this "If I can't have him, no one can" phase that I never found attractive in women. Or men either
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Your second indictment hardly holds water either. Although Saorin obviously exhibits feelings of envy, resentment, and standoffishness, she has never actively interfered in the relationships of other people. All Saorin has ever done is withhold her own feelings of friendliness, and that is hardly anything anyone is entitled to. Quote:
Regarding the main issue with her character. I think one early scene with her mother (where she tries to give Shuuichi three dresses, then her mother advises her to start with just one) highlights it perfectly: Chiba might understand exactly what [the object of her love] desires, but she embraces it more fully then they themselves. To a degree it might be a matter of security (a return for her affections): if she can make Shuuchi accept three dresses, then he might necessarily feel bound to her by gratitude, right? Or, furthermore, in a more sinister manner: if she can encourage his inclinations towards crossdressing, to the point that he feels ostracized by society, then he might begin to turn to her as the only one who 'understands' and 'accepts' him. Saorin's actions (including her choice of Shuuichi in the first place, though I'm extrapolating here) basically all reflect the mentality of someone who feels deeply and wants to ensure she is felt deeply towards in return, to the point that her (early, at the least) actions are tinged with manipulation. ...Well. I feel like I could write two or three more large paragraphs analyzing Chiba's character/interactions as above today, but I'm gonna stop here in the interests of saving both your and my (primarily my) time. |
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While I'll say that was an excellent analysis of Chiba's personality, i disagree with the "...clearly she has discarded any expectations for him and is attempting to move forward with her other relationships" part. It's hard to accept that when she was willing to not come to school after Yoshino told her Shuu was dating Anna. I feel that the fact that she was willing to skip school for any # of days with the intention of not going back for the rest of the year kinda points out how much value she had those other relationships. Perhaps that's changed in the latemost chapters; she seems to have accepted Yoshino as the next 'best' friend now(it was Sasa before she started hanging with Sarashina)but she still seems concerned about Shuu's actions; and by that, I'm specifically referring to how she acted in chp 59, when she stormed away when she overheard Shuu and Makoto talking. That doesn't seem like something someone who's forgotten, tossed away, or hidden her feelings(from the reader's perspective) would do, though I will agree that there's more to her char than just liking Shuu(though that's the aspect I like most about her). Quote:
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2009-03-19, 21:57 | Link #27 | |||
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With regards to that scene you mentioned in chapter 59, taking a closer look at it, I suppose it's pretty suggestive that she does still care what Nitori-kun does. But it's also pretty clear that she's holding her feelings back in response to the 'rejection' I mentioned in the above paragraph. I guess I must admit to having fallen in love with that page I linked above; she looked so grim and resigned, but I suppose even Saorin's 'you've broken me' face must falter when she discovers that Shuu's been talking about her. Quote:
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2009-03-23, 07:16 | Link #31 |
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Heh. It's just you guys here, seems like. A bit quiet (I don't want to stand out), but then again I also don't know if that makes spoiler tags really necessary (correct me if you want).
I'm a bit concerned about how Maho's been treated lately. A while back her character's focus seemed to be about how she was learning not to be judgemental and to stand up for her brother, but her two latest issues (ignoring Shuu because she had made friends, being jealous of Shuu because she feels threatened by his prettiness) seem strictly negative. I don't want to think badly about Maho, as she's impressed me as a person on more than one occassion, but it seems like that's the way the story is pushing her. I also loved the karaoke with all the girls. When Anna told Takatsuki to join her agency, it really highlighted my feeling of "wow, this is a bit of a fated meeting of hot girls". Anna's character has always been attractive to me in a way similar to Chiba's (they're both rather...straightforward, somehow; without regard for superficial displays of friendliness) but I find Chiba more interesting because while Anna's bluntness seems to be founded in self-confidence I'd say Chiba's stems from her desire for deep (non-superficial) relations with others. Anyways, damn, Chiba really knows how to put down others. That line about "I suppose some men are indecisive like that" had me rolling. |
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As for Takatsuki blurting out secrets, I thought you were just talking about at the karaoke bar, but you're actually also referring to when she told Chiba about Anna, right? Hm, you do have a point that that makes it twice now...on the other hand, the circumstances are a bit different in that for the first one I think she told Chiba out of selfishness, in some minor sort of attempt to hurt her (or Shuu indirectly) while in the more recent case that was more of her attempt to stop (what she saw as) a pending catfight. We'll have to see if those kinds of situations come up again. |
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2009-03-27, 04:23 | Link #40 |
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The conversation between Shuu and Saorin is just her being herself, using a random comment to get a reaction. Her comment to Takatsuki in the bathroom is similar, a vague and random statement that only Saorin really gets and causes others to go "what the hell was that?".
It's just part of her personality, which is why she gets so flustered when Takatsuki blurts out that Saorin likes Shuu later in the chapter. She usually keeps most of her emotions to herself, except for her random outbursts of "irrational" behavior, so she was taken off guard by someone saying out loud how she felt about someone else. Usually she's the one making the bold (if sometimes head scratching) statements.
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