2009-02-26, 17:18 | Link #882 | |
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ya it's pretty simple, everyone in destiny are the bad guys, there is no good guys. this is one of many reasons why GSD is so messed up/horrible |
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EDIT: Well, it was obvious why Archangel crew did not trust Dullindal, seeing how conveniently he put his Lacus puppet Meer. If anyone was to be suspected of trying to assasinate the pink princess, he is one of the main suspects. And their efforts were not focused on him solely but on all the fighting sides until he chose to show his true colors by usibng his supaweapon on all those who did not choose HIS option.
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2009-02-26, 19:17 | Link #884 |
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If my memory serves me right, Lacus responded after Durandal fired that doomsday weapon to other countries first
Now comes the irony part, had Durandal only proceeded that Destiny plan to Zaft's territory, then it bears no meaning at all..the whole point of the plan is to end the war, so you have to include everyone, and when you try to force other countries to comply, fight sure will happen...and it gives Lacus's excuse to fight back as soon as Durandal fired that doomesday weapon, it should have fired at Orb first That being said, it is annoying that Kira not fight with blue comso at least once...that was the bigger evil before Durandal took over
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2009-02-26, 19:49 | Link #885 |
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From what I remembered in the movie (I have blurry memory of this, I'll admit) Lacus and co. considered Durandal's Destiny plan evil before he even fired the doomsday weapon against a nation. That's why I find it weird. Maybe, it's the whole genetic issue that bothered them about the plan. I need to rewatch it or watch the actual episode myself. Thanks for some input.
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2009-02-26, 19:53 | Link #886 | |
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2009-02-27, 02:53 | Link #888 |
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Ok don't kill me for this, but.....if you think about it, Lacus/Kira and Djibril (Logos)are among the first ones who broke the treaty in GSD. I believe the treaty signed at the end of the GS is that no side is allowed to use the Nuclear/Colloid technology. Freedom is the only nuclear-powered suit in GSD before the ZAFT's was rolled out while the Phantom Pain used the Girty Lue.
and when they lost the Freedom, Lacus was ready with possibly two full-hax MSes. Dullindal surely picked the wrong enemy |
2009-02-27, 03:45 | Link #890 | ||
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Spoiler for Junius Treaty from official Gundam site:
Notice that it is not mentioned whether they are forbidden to be maintained without using or developing new N-jammer Cancellers. Additionally, we never now just how far ORB's independence on this matter is specified. It is just written that they are forbidden to be used. Freedom's Nuclear Reactor and core is a remnant of the previous war. And I don't think keeping it hidden in ORB with the hope of never using it is that bad. Especially that we all know ORB "The Orb Union is forbidden to transfer any military technology (either in weapon shipments or aid) to either the Earth Alliance or ZAFT, though either side can apparently use any Orb technology acquired before the treaty." (this taken from Wikipedia, but as we see above it is also clarified in the excerpt from page above). More than that, not that they'd even care about the laws and treaties if they perceived them as bad, Lacus and Kira are so Mary Sue they would never use it with evil intentions but protecting. The "evil" of waging war and getting their hands dirty... well, they probably know it as they choose to fight instead of staying there getting brainwashed, "totalitarized" or slaughtered like pigs without defense. Dullindal, on the other hand is a different history. He does reperesent one of the sides that signed the treaty, leading the prominent political role in his country. Still, he was among the first one scheming, attacking and killing thousands of thousands to fulfil his goals. Quote:
EDIT: thanks for another original opinion on Animesuki <claps his hands>
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2009-02-27, 04:33 | Link #891 | |
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Eh... I don't know where you get the logic from, the word "both" in The Junius Treaty which prohibits the use of N-Jammer Cancelers in mobile suits and military weapons, and all use of Mirage Colloid clearly refers to ZAFT and the earth as whole. As far as I know, both Lacus and Kira are technically a citizen of Orb (unless they create their own space colony with a brand new nation) so they will have to abide the traty. As long as they are both citizens of either a nation in earth or ZAFT, they are not suppose to have any nuclear-powered MS. They clearly broke two different things in the treaty: the use of NJC in the MS as well as deploying a nuclear MS after ep 13. I don't care whatever the reason is, the rule/treaty is there so that everyone follows it. The treaty to ban the nuclear use is there because they want to prevent the catastrophic effect of the nuclear which they experience before. I can't really accept the idea that because Lacus is a queen of the universe while Kira is her poster boy, they are allowed to possess Freedom (they should scrap it after the battle in GS) . Just because of different reason, it does not make them better compared to what the Phantom Pain did. After all, both of them clearly breaks the treaty for their own personal gain. Just take a real world example in gun ownership in a prohibited country. Are you saying that a person who own the gun with the purpose of protecting his family is less guilty than other who uses the gun to do crimes ? I do believe when the police stops their car and finds the gun, both parties will be charged for the posession of the illegal gun. It is simple, you are not allow to poseess the gun by the law, then you aren't suppose to have one. Last edited by coba; 2009-02-27 at 04:46. |
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2009-02-27, 05:18 | Link #893 | ||
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This is a good example on how people is still liable to the law, even though their reasoning is good. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/odd_good_...NESXbe_5wazJV4 Quote:
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Also, this still doesn't make erase the fact that Lacus/Kira violates the treaty of using NJC in the MS (Freedom uses NJC which allow it to operate under the nuclear power). Like I mentioned before, I can still argue that Kira can simply destroy the Freedom after the war and preserve other MSes that doesn't have the NTC. But no....he decided to preserve the storngest MS for his own purpose. |
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Then again, maybe I understand you. Yeah, nobody cares as long as they not the one who get the consequence. In Destiny Kira used Freedom to defeat the attacking mobile suits. I really don't care about the assasins nor the person who sent them. Quote:
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2009-02-27, 05:46 | Link #897 |
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Err...EA who are the first one to broke the treaty first when they use Girty Lue MC.So the treaty is useless from that point.
IF the creative team or Director of GSD want Freedom in that show,it will be in it.Beside the Japanese fans want Kira back & the toys company are worrying about the down sale for GSD kit.SO the director hand are tied down. At least the mecha & soundtrack are awesome.
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You're free to dislike Destiny for other reasons, but your reasoning here is in error.
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