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It would be a little odd that her main election plan is not related to her own faction, but for the competition. |
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2012-08-01, 11:53 | Link #503 |
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While it may work for regular elections for student president, i can't agree when it comes to politics in Koichoco. Koichoco has a slight exaggerated real life politcs on going.
I think it's pretty rare that for example a democrat canditate with republican beliefs is going to win many voters from either side. Plus you will likely get conflict in your own department for doing that. While it hasn't been mentioned in the anime, how many students are in fact financial aid scholarship students? I don't think that they are in the majority (otherwise the bullying doesn't make sense), so from a financial standpoint i don't see the point of a regular scholarship. |
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I guess what we need to see is Moheji's policy statement to address this issue. Quote:
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2012-08-01, 12:16 | Link #505 |
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I recently picked up this show, largely because of the character designs I'll admit.
But what has maintained my interest in this show is the student politics (and the fact that more central characters are generally likeable). The politics in this show is pretty interesting. Satsuki's political philosophy is pretty well-developed and presented. Her staunch fiscal conservatism would make Ron Paul blush. It'll be interesting to see if Oojima can come up with a good practical counter to her, since he is running against her after all. This anime also does a pretty good job of showing the difficulties in political campaign fundraising. I was genuinely impressed with the level of detail that went into that. If I was to recommend a new anime to a friend who's a political junkie I might well choose this show. If it's Student Council election plot continues to be as interesting as it's been so far, I'll be sticking with this show through to the end.
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2012-08-01, 12:20 | Link #506 |
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I don't see libertarianism as the center of Satsuki's ideals at all. For example, there's no way Ron Paul would argue for more spending for poor students, which seems to be the centerpiece of Satsuki's platform. If anything she seems to be a progressive - her politics would no doubt get her labeled as a "damn socialist" by the right in the USA.
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In any event, it's simply ridiculous to argue that Satsuki is not a fiscal conservative when she's proposing massive across-the-board spending cuts to clubs.
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2012-08-01, 12:48 | Link #509 |
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On what basis do you make that claim? Are there clubs getting more money based on Satsuki's plan? If so, I don't recall any such detail ever coming up.
What is clearly being shown is substantial spending cuts to clubs, with many of them being wiped out entirely. That is definitely fiscal conservatism. Like Oojima himself pointed out, it's strict fiscal management. It's tightening the purse strings.
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2012-08-01, 12:48 | Link #510 |
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Exactly.
She's arguing that money should be redistributed from the wealthy kids farting around in bogus "clubs" to poor kids who're currently being forced to humiliate themselves like Cinderella. It's a classic example of egalitarianism, which is the political polar opposite of libertarianism. There's no evidence whatsoever that she wants to reduce overall spending (which conservatives in actuality never do anyway) but rather change the way the money is spent.
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2012-08-01, 12:56 | Link #511 | ||
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Like I just wrote, scholarships can be privately funded. Quote:
How often do you hear a self-described liberal or progressive talk about spending cuts? That's much more commonly a position held by self-described fiscal conservatives, even if it's just electioneering for many of them. Edit: Now, it occurs to me that maybe you and Haak know something from the source material that I don't. If so, maybe I'm wrong here. But going strictly on what we've seen in these first four episodes, Satsuki strikes me as a penny-pinching fiscal conservative who's big on balancing budgets. Perhaps a future episode will cause my impressions to change though.
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2012-08-01, 13:03 | Link #512 |
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We'll see - but the entire structure of the episode implied that Satsuki plans to use the club money to fund scholarships. It would be an enormous coincidence to focus the episode on bullying, then have Satsuki tell Yuuki "Have you actually read my manifesto?" which we can clearly see makes mention of bullying and scholarships - only to have the scholarships and the club funds be completely unrelated.
To me this looks like the whole point of the political argument - he's fighting to save the clubs, she's fighting to help the poor students - and these two ideals directly contradict each other. And that provides the dramatic tension between Yuuki and Satsuki. If that's not the case, then the entire fourth ep was a waste of time - and that seems unlikely to me.
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2012-08-01, 13:06 | Link #513 | |
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Really I suppose it's more accurate to say she's fighting for a liberal ideology using fiscal conservative methods. But I reckon we're always going to get problems trying to apply an American lens to a political story that's most likely based on Japanese politics.
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Fighting for a liberal ideology using fiscal conservative methods might be the best way to put it, yeah.
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2012-08-01, 13:14 | Link #515 | |
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I love that this episode was (maybe deliberately) vague.
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2012-08-01, 13:19 | Link #516 | |
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In other words, Oojima and Satsuki will likely refine each others positions and/or arrive at a compromise. I can't imagine this show ending on the note of the food club disbanding, but I also can't imagine it ending on the note of Oojima keeping it alive by hurting poorer students, so I think that a compromise of some sort will have to be reached. Presuming Enzo is right, anyway, and it would make the narrative a bit more compelling for him to be right.
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2012-08-01, 13:35 | Link #517 | |
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(To be honest with you, I'm not too sure that I find this episode to be that vague in what it was implying. It seems rather clear-cut to me. If you're using the game as the basis of your doubts, I wonder if they may be blending the routes in a way they didn't in the game.)
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2012-08-01, 14:18 | Link #519 |
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I agree with RF - I really didn't think the episode was being vague at all. It seemed like the interpretation of Satsuki's argument was pretty obvious. As for this making Yuuki a "villain" I think that's exactly the point, that this will force him to reconsider the rightness of his position. But I'd also expect Satsuki to reconsider as she learns that there are good things about the clubs too.
Honestly, I don't really see anything "fiscally conservative" in Satsuki's platform at all, based on what we've seen so far. Looks like straight up redistribution of wealth to me.
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On another topic, in addition to realizing Satsuki's point regarding her scholarship plan, his encounter with the "Air Sumo" club also makes him have to admit that there are actually "pointless" clubs out there after all, and his overriding policy of "I'll save all the clubs!" may not actually be The Right Thing To Do (TM). So I wonder if, in addition to thinking that Satsuki may be doing the right thing for the scholarship program, he's probably also thinking that she's got a point he can't deny about some of the clubs. In other words, it's sort of like "if I didn't have to come out against her, I'd probably vote for her because she's on the right track".
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