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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 791 | 63.74% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 163 | 13.13% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 95 | 7.66% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 67 | 5.40% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 17 | 1.37% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 18 | 1.45% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 7 | 0.56% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 7 | 0.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 0.32% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 72 | 5.80% | |
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2011-01-01, 12:24 | Link #5682 | |
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Don't worry, there are many different ways to interpret almost everything in Code Geass. Coming to an universal agreement isn't necessary.
I don't think one point of view is automatically more "flawed" than the other as long as they are both based on the original source material. Quote:
There was actually a lot of internal tension within Suzaku. He had different attitudes and impulses at various points in the story, all the way from the Suzaku who justified killing his father to the Suzaku who thought he needed to make up for it by choosing the right path and the Suzaku who thought Lelouch should not exist in this world after the murder of Euphemia. And that's without even going into what happened in R2. Suzaku doesn't just betray people, you could argue he also contradicts himself because of those personality changes and his various impulses. This is something that, I feel, must be taken into account instead of simply stating Suzaku didn't want to kill Lelouch. Suzaku didn't want to kill Lelouch around the time of, say, Turn 17 because he did feel his friend was lying then and there. This is true. However, taking into consideration what happened afterwards and Suzaku's own change in attitude after Turn 18...it cannot be said this was his stance by time they joined forces in Turn 21. In fact, that a part of Suzaku still held a grudge against Lelouch for the crime of killing Euphemia was made clear by the brief exchange they had after stopping the Ragnarok Connection. The issue was still on his mind. After they came to an (off-screen) understanding, the situation turned out to be rather ironic: Suzaku and Lelouch became friends again, but he still agreed with the need to carry out the Zero Requiem...which is a plan that includes Lelouch's death as its central element. This is also why I consider it to be the result of a negative reconciliation between two broken individuals as opposed to a truly constructive outcome, at least from a certain perspective. Therefore, concluding that in a way Zero Requiem did bring a sense of finality to Suzaku's own internal dilemma, including his conflicting feelings about killing Lelouch or not, is an entirely warranted interpretation. It's certainly not the only possible one, however, but that depends on how we choose to look at all of this. |
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2011-01-01, 18:13 | Link #5684 | |
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In the short story...Suzaku asks Lelouch if there isn't any other way and the reply is no, there is none. Lelouch admits that there were other options, as part of his own internal monologue, but he's not telling this to Suzaku. Such an inquiry doesn't mean Suzaku "objected" on a fundamental level, I believe, but simply that he had doubts. And yet, the short story also shows Suzaku accepting this and respecting Lelouch's resolve...which is reflected by what Suzaku actually says and does in the animation, including Turns 23 and 25. I would say such doubts are part of the tensions and internal conflicts of both characters, in light of what has been previously described. However, in the end they all agreed to the plan in spite of any other concerns and didn't really look back after the decision had been made. |
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2011-01-09, 17:26 | Link #5689 | |
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I think he was not doing that just for the sake of humanity.
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2011-01-09, 18:50 | Link #5690 | |
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Suzaku wouldn't have any right to do it just out of spite anymore. Not after everything else that had happened, especially FLEIJA. |
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2011-01-09, 19:04 | Link #5691 | |
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(And Lelouch was in "bad" terms with his dearest sister) About FLEIJA, Suzaku could feel bad about it, but it was the Geass that Lelouch casted on him that "made him" do it. If they wanted, they could think of something or at least try to come with a solution where Lelouch didn't really die.
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2011-01-21, 15:58 | Link #5693 |
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I have 2 questions. One, This means Lelouch never finished his contract with C-2 right? But that isn't a bad thing because at the end it seemed as if she was actually beginning to enjoy the "life" she had so i guess she did not need the contract any more? Second, What happened to V-2? I remember him being injured but he did not heal? He healed when the knife got thrown through his head? If so, who killed him and how?
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2011-01-23, 20:03 | Link #5694 |
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Lelouch always had a way out. Get Schneizel to confess into a tape about his goal to nuke everything, and broadcast it to the entire world. Then execute him and the Black Knight leadership for siding with him, but not before setting up a "fair" trial for them. Recordings and documents would be forged implicating Oughi, Todou, Chiba, Xingke, Villetta etc in atrocities. It wouldn't be hard to do, all he needs to do is geass them into reading a scrip he prepares for them, and later in the trial, even if they deny it, their voices and signatures are on the tapes and orders in which massacres are ordered. Would people believe that they were coerced into doing this by a supernatural power, or that they are pathetic war criminals trying to avoid the firing squad?
He remains the Emperor for justice, who defeated Schneizel and the BLack Knights and brought them to justice, abolished the number system, reduced the monarchy's power and then ceded the throne to his sister Cornelia, who is the rightful heir. Schneizel and the BKs are put against a wall and shot dead, their bodies thrown in a common unmarked mass grave in the woods. humanity wins.
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2011-01-23, 20:39 | Link #5695 |
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Lol.
He was still too far into his plan to pull out, having practically declared war at that one meeting. And Xing-ke was always more a part of the UFN, along with Kaguya and the Tianzi, and wasn't in on the betrayal. (He'd be too smart for Schneizel anyways.) And Cornelia as empress? No. She's not the type, and isn't fit to be anyways with what she did and how. |
2011-01-23, 22:49 | Link #5698 | |
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@wagenman: C. C.'s contract remained unfulfilled. V. V. died, since Charles took his code. |
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