Character discussion - Sekai

[Skyfall]

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[Joka]

She is as immature as the guy she loves. She had sex with him for the wrong reasons, She couldn't control her self and her actions, because of her inexperience and undeveloped mind set. Poor her. She brought some of this on her self.

The immature drama of high school kids is hilarious, because they put so much emotion into it.

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Joka

She is as immature as the guy she loves. She had sex with him for the wrong reasons, She couldn't control her self and her actions, because of her inexperience and undeveloped mind set. Poor her. She brought some of this on her self.

The immature drama of high school kids is hilarious, because they put so much emotion into it.

Though i agree that she is immature and inexperienced being shes only a high school girl i disagree on some points.

1.We have no proof yet they actually had sex, we wont know that till the next episode. Its possible they never actually got to it. Sekai's mom could have come home or Sekai could have stopped him. To me its specualtion till its confirmed

2.Assuming they did have sex she did not have sex with him for the wrong reason. she loves him that her reason I see nothing wrong with that. However she should have waited till Motoko was not dating Koto, that was her mistake.

3.Technically she tried to avoid this by helping Motoko and Koto stay together she even lectured him about being a good boyfriend and resisted his advances for as long as she could even with her feelings for him there is only so much a person can take. she tired to get both of them on the right track by offering advice, even though she was manipuative doing it, i beleive it was a way for her to protect her self. It didnt work out that way the more she tried to help the more she grew to love Motoko. Its very rare for the person who is trying to avoid drama to actually cause it it just so happens it came about this time. All of them are at fault in some way imo.

[Klashikari]

Sekai is hardly the worst character in School Days. There is nothing to debate on her implication, since indeed, facts are :

• She was the origin of the situation
• She kissed makoto
• She "forced" makoto and kotonoha to fix their couple, despite they were on the verge of breaking up
• She performed a silly training

Aside of these points, I believe she is a kinda tragic character, much more than Mitsuki from KGNE.

Sekai is basically torned by two opposite mindset: she is obviously in love with makoto, and she wants him and kotonoha to be happy together.

yes, i really believe she ALSO wants kotonoha to be happy with him, and not only "if makoto is happy with anyone, i'm "fine" usual "love sacrifice" mindset.
But unfortunately for her, her inexperience was really a problem, and before she knew it, her "resilience" fall apart the more she tries to help Makoto and kotonoha.

As far as we could see, the episode 4 was extremely blatant for her "feelings resilience" issue, though she was able to be a complete fortress in episode 5... until Makoto had the good idea to go gung ho with her.

I'm wondering how she will behave with Kotonoha, but i don't think she will be carefree with her, nope.

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

Though i agree that she is immature and inexperienced being shes only a high school girl i disagree on some points.

1.We have no proof yet they actually had sex, we wont know that till the next episode. Its possible they never actually got to it. Sekai's mom could have come home or Sekai could have stopped him. To me its specualtion till its confirmed

2.Assuming they did have sex she did not have sex with him for the wrong reason. she loves him that her reason I see nothing wrong with that. However she should have waited till Motoko was not dating Koto, that was her mistake.

3.Technically she tried to avoid this by helping Motoko and Koto stay together she even lectured him about being a good boyfriend and resisted his advances for as long as she could even with her feelings for him there is only so much a person can take. she tired to get both of them on the right track by offering advice, even though she was manipuative doing it, i beleive it was a way for her to protect her self. It didnt work out that way the more she tried to help the more she grew to love Motoko. Its very rare for the person who is trying to avoid drama to actually cause it it just so happens it came about this time. All of them are at fault in some way imo.

1) dont deny yourself it was clear that they has sex as neither makoto or sekai was going to stop...

2) it was a wrong reason...i bet the next day she would refer the event as "the completion of the training"

3) fully agree...she tried to hard to deny her feelings and they came whacking her back 10 times harder >_<

Originally Posted by Klashikari

Aside of these points, I believe she is a kinda tragic character, much more than Mitsuki from KGNE.

hard to say...mitsuki did go through a lot of crap before and after while bearing huge guilt...but one thing that she didnt do was to kiss her love interest...for sekai this isnt the case ~ when i saw that first kiss i was just ripping my hair screaming at the screen "WTF WHY DID YOU DO THAT!" as the kiss was a sure indicator to makoto that there is something up with her whereas mitsuki never made this kind of backstabbing approach (and hence why i love her so much ^.^)

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

1) dont deny yourself it was clear that they has sex as neither makoto or sekai was going to stop...

2) it was a wrong reason...i bet the next day she would refer the event as "the completion of the training"

3) fully agree...she tried to hard to deny her feelings and they came whacking her back 10 times harder >_<


hard to say...mitsuki did go through a lot of crap before and after while bearing huge guilt...but one thing that she didnt do was to kiss her love interest...for sekai this isnt the case ~ when i saw that first kiss i was just ripping my hair screaming at the screen "WTF WHY DID YOU DO THAT!" as the kiss was a sure indicator to makoto that there is something up with her whereas mitsuki never made this kind of backstabbing approach (and hence why i love her so much ^.^)

I would say that there is a 95% chance that they did have sex. Im just saying there is a possbility that it didnt happen. There are still variables there that could have how should say spoil the mood. I just want confirmation before i take that mindset that they had sex and we will get that in episode 6. Not to mention if they did the emotional attachemtn will only get stronger i mean everyone remembers their first and its even more special for girls than guys.

If it did happen it shouldnt have but the way she feels about him to me does not make it the wrong reason. There is a line between lust and love I think Sekai loves him to me thats reason enough to be intimate with someone It was the wrong time with Matoko still dating Koto because at this point its cheating.

[Azi-kun]

I agree, Sekai clearly loves him. She had sex with him for the right reason, I've seen people have sex with eachother for far less noble reasons. Her approach wasn't the best, but I can understand it.
So I can't see her as a bad person. Makoto could have stopped too.

I wonder if Makoto gets more emotional attached to Sekai. I'm prety sure it will be so for Sekai, like you said first times are special especialy for a girl. For a guy too, but still less, at least for me. But someone like Makoto... I wonder.

[angel_wing0]

Originally Posted by Sinestra

1.We have no proof yet they actually had sex, we wont know that till the next episode. Its possible they never actually got to it. Sekai's mom could have come home or Sekai could have stopped him. To me its specualtion till its confirmed.

Hearing that "crock" sound is solid proof that they have sex. Especially all her fingers seem to die down after that sound...its obvious. I agree with what dk said.

[Aceywacey]

Sekai could've EASILY got Makoto to break up with Kotonoha before jumping in the sack with him before the deed.

He is basically putty in her hands - everything Makoto has done in this series has been an instigation from Sekai. She's his chief advisor and will do anything she says.

She could have said, "Break up with Kotonoha and I will go out with you (+ sex) and he would have done it easily. He's obviously bored of Kotonoha and will drop her like a rock if Sekai only asks it.

Of course Sekai didn't ask it. My opinion on why she didn't is because she's afraid of hurting Kotonoha's feelings. Of course when the relationship comes out, Kotonoha will be hurt 20x worse, but for now it's safe because she doesn't know yet. Sekai will continue to keep putting it off until its too late - that's where the drama will come from.

[Joka]

Originally Posted by Aceywacey

Sekai will continue to keep putting it off until its too late - that's where the drama will come from.

high school tears feed my soul

[Deathkillz]

Originally Posted by Aceywacey

Sekai could've EASILY got Makoto to break up with Kotonoha before jumping in the sack with him before the deed.

He is basically putty in her hands - everything Makoto has done in this series has been an instigation from Sekai. She's his chief advisor and will do anything she says.

She could have said, "Break up with Kotonoha and I will go out with you (+ sex) and he would have done it easily. He's obviously bored of Kotonoha and will drop her like a rock if Sekai only asks it.

Of course Sekai didn't ask it. My opinion on why she didn't is because she's afraid of hurting Kotonoha's feelings. Of course when the relationship comes out, Kotonoha will be hurt 20x worse, but for now it's safe because she doesn't know yet. Sekai will continue to keep putting it off until its too late - that's where the drama will come from.

its already too late for her when she got to the stage where they were kissing in the rain...way too late ~ and im just here thinking why she did all that crap to try and get makoto and kotonoha together when in the end she was the first one to have sex with him...

we see 2 problems here...

1) sure she could have told makoto to break up with kotonoha then give him sex as a reward...but this is blackmail! and doesnt go down too well on my patience with sekai's stupidity...classic case of backstabbing if she did this...

2) shut up and just deny it ~ kotonoha will end up extremely hurt...i can only just imagine her cries of pain saying "why!! why did you set me up if you where going to take him away!" ~ sekai is gonig to be left gobsmacked at the mess she made (or if not then she will be labeled heartless...)

lol this reminds me of the move in ep 2 XD

[Sinestra]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

its already too late for her when she got to the stage where they were kissing in the rain...way too late ~ and im just here thinking why she did all that crap to try and get makoto and kotonoha together when in the end she was the first one to have sex with him...

we see 2 problems here...

1) sure she could have told makoto to break up with kotonoha then give him sex as a reward...but this is blackmail! and doesnt go down too well on my patience with sekai's stupidity...classic case of backstabbing if she did this...

2) shut up and just deny it ~ kotonoha will end up extremely hurt...i can only just imagine her cries of pain saying "why!! why did you set me up if you where going to take him away!" ~ sekai is gonig to be left gobsmacked at the mess she made (or if not then she will be labeled heartless...)

lol this reminds me of the move in ep 2 XD

D.K. i totally feel you on #2 Koto is going to feel like she was played with and used. I think one of the first things she will say when she finds out and inbetween her tears is WHY? There is no excuse they could offer in this life or the next that could quell the pain she is going to feel.

Im hoping that Koto asked Seaki why did you do this when you never had any interest in him and helped us get together. (even though Sekai has already picked up something from both of them)

[Ashlotte]

Hah well sekai to me feels like a classic case of "honest to others, but dishonest to oneself".

She tries so hard to make others happy neglecting her own feelings, which is fine if your some kindof saint that can keep that up forever. But to attempt it as a young HS girl is just walking the road to ruin. Her major flaws like others said was her inability to rein in her feelings as they kept slipping out time and again randomly through physically intimacy with makoto or unconscious looks of worry and sadness (I.E. Episode 5 pool scenes).

So unless she wants to become a true tragic character itd be in her best interest to learn to become alittle more selfish with her feelings and gain abit more self-respect. It'd probably take the entire show, but itd be nice if she had that much character growth in the end.

[Aceywacey]

I find it amusingly ironic that at one time Sekai was coaching Kotonoha that she has to learn to say no to Makoto ...

And now she can't do the same when in that exact position!

Sekai is a tragic character ... but that's why I <3 her

[Deathkillz]

tragic...tragic...it depends really...if she had used more intelligence then this could have all been avoided and she would be happily making babies with him by now...O_o

come to think i wonder if she gave him any protection XD

[Echoes]

Originally Posted by Deathkillz

come to think i wonder if she gave him any protection XD

Knowing Makoto, he wouldn't have taken it anyway.

I hope Sekai makes a moral turn-around, though. I do like the character, but if she keeps this up, I'll be forced to put her under the same category as Makoto, and that's saying something.

[`Anna]

Originally Posted by Echoes

Knowing Makoto, he wouldn't have taken it anyway.

I hope Sekai makes a moral turn-around, though. I do like the character, but if she keeps this up, I'll be forced to put her under the same category as Makoto, and that's saying something.

Spoiler for Episode 6:

I see no reason to put her in the same category as Makoto giving the fact she does feel bad for whats she doing, although in the end of episode 6 she says she likes him, but you could tell she did from the beginning, its not like she just decided this after she had sex with him, like he did.

[Shana]

Originally Posted by Echoes

Knowing Makoto, he wouldn't have taken it anyway.

I hope Sekai makes a moral turn-around, though. I do like the character, but if she keeps this up, I'll be forced to put her under the same category as Makoto, and that's saying something.

Originally Posted by `Anna

Spoiler for Episode 6:

I see no reason to put her in the same category as Makoto giving the fact she does feel bad for whats she doing, although in the end of episode 6 she says she likes him, but you could tell she did from the beginning, its not like she just decided this after she had sex with him, like he did.

Both you guys have the reason. ~ Anna: Yeah, she does feels bad for what she's doing, but that's her fault, she's the only who accepted to Makoto have sex with her and anyone forced her to do that, do someone? No.

Though Sekai will have to think before and do after. What she's passing now is the remordment

[`Anna]

Originally Posted by ~Shana

Both you guys have the reason. ~ Anna: Yeah, she does feels bad for what she's doing, but that's her fault, she's the only who accepted to Makoto have sex with her and anyone forced her to do that, do someone? No.

Though Sekai will have to think before and do after. What she's passing now is the remordment

You have a point.

[Klashikari]

Originally Posted by ~Shana

Both you guys have the reason. ~ Anna: Yeah, she does feels bad for what she's doing, but that's her fault, she's the only who accepted to Makoto have sex with her and anyone forced her to do that, do someone? No.

Though Sekai will have to think before and do after. What she's passing now is the remordment

I don't think it is "natural" to hinder your own happiness because someone else is affected by it. it requires courage and selflessness, which isn't something common with people in that kind of cases.
Accepting makoto or not deso'nt change the fact that makoto wants and is putting himself far from kotonoha to go to her. Even if she refuses, Makoto wouldn't really care about kotonoha, much like how episode 5 shows it.

The remorse is there, and her fault is already done, but actually, there isn't anything she can do, except pushing makoto to do something, which he ultimately didn't. She lacked willpower too, but i guess this would not happen if Makoto had the guts to settle things by himself, or when sekai asked him the very first times.

Being aware of consequences, having remorses, etc don't mean you CAN do something. heck, even if you WANT, that doesn't help you in your problem. things aren't simple as people might think.

i don't see why Sekai would be as faulty here. the limit has been passed, and there isn't anything she can do.
if she was about to do it herself, not only it is an insult to the injury, but that could have the opposite effect. the harm is already done anyway.